...which was recently discovered by scientist?
In 1977, scientists discovered hot springs at a depth of 2.5 km, on the Galapagos Rift (spreading ridge) off the coast of Ecuador. This exciting discovery was not really a surprise. Since the early 1970s, scientists had predicted that hot springs (geothermal vents) should be found at the active spreading centers along the mid-oceanic ridges, where magma, at temperatures over 1,000 °C, presumably was being erupted to form new oceanic crust. More exciting, because it was totally unexpected, was the discovery of abundant and unusual sea life -- giant tube worms, huge clams, and mussels -- that thrived around the hot springs ---- (from; Exploring the deep ocean floor: Hot springs and strange creatures. U.S. Dept. of Interior, U.S. Geological survey)
Did the Bible say something about springs of the sea and the recesses of the deep?
Genesis 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Psalm 36:6 - Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast.
Isaiah 51:10 - Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?
Ezekiel 26:19 - For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee;
Ezekiel 31:4 - The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
Ezekiel 31:15 - Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
Amos 7:4 - Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and, behold, the Lord GOD called to contend by fire, and it devoured the great deep, and did eat up a part.
Reply:Don't confuse simple observation with divine revelation. You have no idea what the people from historical Middle East were aware of.
Sure, in 1977, scientists found hot springs in the depths of the ocean. That does not mean springs were unknown until 1977. Bad correlation! What WAS unexpected was the abundance of life there, not the presence of a spring.
Compare this coincidence with the scientific errors within the Bible and you'll understand the Bible is a spiritual manual, not a science manual.
Reply:It doesn't really require divine knowledge. From the point of view of a primative culture, the sea would require "springs" to make it so full of water (by the way, the undersea thermal plumes come from VENTS, not springs. These are significantly different. Why didn't God use the correct terminology?)
And the sea is deep? No kidding. I'm sure humans have known that ever since they first entered water that was over their head.
Reply:We know more about space than we do about our own oceans. For man to look out at something as vast as the ocean wouldn't you describe it the same way? It doesn't take any sort of holy literature to surmise the sea has deep recesses, come on now.
Reply:Matthew Murray from 1806-1873 is considered the Father of Oceanography and also noted Psalm 8:8. He set out to find them first. His books are still used.
Reply:You again? Please. I don't quite see how your bible quote implies the existence of deep-see vents.
You'd think that if God knew all this scientific stuff beforehand the first verses of Genesis would make a little more sense. Specifically you'd think he could have gotten the things that were created in the right order. But sorry, he fails miserably in that respect. So I'm not inclined to believe.
Reply:Yes, I've heard about this several times. Funny you should mention the book of Job. There are some references in it that many people find startling. It's a very enigmatic book and considered to be one of the most fascinating books in the Bible.
Sunday, November 15, 2009
Earthquake strikes Greece not Japan.. My data and calculation is useless..?
I did posted out 2 weeks ago that " Can Japan be having earthquake on July 14 2008 "
My data compare with the actual result is completely offset by appx~6000 miles. I am feeling very sad and appolgies to people around the world that i have calculated and posted result that is not acurate. below are the news clip :-
Tuesday July 15, 2008 MYT 1:58:43 PM
ATHENS, Greece (AP): The Athens Geodynamic Institute says a strong earthquake has struck near the Greek island of Rhodes. The Geodynamic Institute says the quake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.3 struck at 6:26 a.m. (0326 GMT) Tuesday. Its epicenter was 445 kilometers (275 miles) southeast of Athens, beneath the seabed south of Rhodes.
The U.S. Geological Survey gave the magnitude as 6.4.
Blow are the answer that was replied 2 weeks ago, thank you for replying
by Curiosit... No, I do not agree with you. The "science" of predicting earthquakes is not as precise as your prediction.
Science can predict earthquakes; however, t
Earthquake strikes Greece not Japan.. My data and calculation is useless..?
The earth quake that struck Athens, in Greece, has affected the Lebanese coast by this earthquake.
Reply:Earthquakes are unpredictable and can happen anywhere (usually near or around fault boundaries). You can make predictions but that is about as far as you can get. Even with out technology today it is still hard to detect an Earthquake before it happens.
My data compare with the actual result is completely offset by appx~6000 miles. I am feeling very sad and appolgies to people around the world that i have calculated and posted result that is not acurate. below are the news clip :-
Tuesday July 15, 2008 MYT 1:58:43 PM
ATHENS, Greece (AP): The Athens Geodynamic Institute says a strong earthquake has struck near the Greek island of Rhodes. The Geodynamic Institute says the quake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.3 struck at 6:26 a.m. (0326 GMT) Tuesday. Its epicenter was 445 kilometers (275 miles) southeast of Athens, beneath the seabed south of Rhodes.
The U.S. Geological Survey gave the magnitude as 6.4.
Blow are the answer that was replied 2 weeks ago, thank you for replying
by Curiosit... No, I do not agree with you. The "science" of predicting earthquakes is not as precise as your prediction.
Science can predict earthquakes; however, t
Earthquake strikes Greece not Japan.. My data and calculation is useless..?
The earth quake that struck Athens, in Greece, has affected the Lebanese coast by this earthquake.
Reply:Earthquakes are unpredictable and can happen anywhere (usually near or around fault boundaries). You can make predictions but that is about as far as you can get. Even with out technology today it is still hard to detect an Earthquake before it happens.
Massive oil deposit found i U.S....think the Democrats will let us ACTUALLY dig on our own soil?
Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x
http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next...
America is sitting on top of a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field that could potentially make America Energy Independent and until now has largely gone unnoticed. Thanks to new technology the Bakken Formation in North Dakota could boost America’s Oil reserves by an incredible 10 times, giving western economies the trump card against OPEC’s short squeeze on oil supply and making Iranian and Venezuelan threats of disrupted supply irrelevant.
In the next 30 days the USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) will release a new report giving an accurate resource assessment of the Bakken Oil Formation that covers North Dakota and portions of South Dakota and Montana. With new horizontal drilling technology it is believed that from 175 to 500 billion barrels of recoverable oil are held in this 200,000 square mile reserve that was initially discovered in 1951.
Massive oil deposit found i U.S....think the Democrats will let us ACTUALLY dig on our own soil?
The government hasn't seen Americans turning cars over and setting them on fire in the streets yet.
They haven't thought about fearing their own constituents yet.
The liberal, sandal wearing, pot smoking, tree-hugging morons don't know what's coming until it hits them that even they can't afford to be environmentally conscious.
The oil companies are full of it. They create shortages by manipulating refinery capabilities and the government stands hand in glove with them on denying licenses and permits to build any more refineries.
No one wants to drill for oil domestically when its dirt cheap to yank it out of someone else's backyard. Why? Cost of labor domestically plus cost of permits and complying with artificially increased red tape equals drilling afar as opposed to a-near.
Basic bottom line: when the consumers change their habits and make it unprofitable to import oil, they all start worrying.
Reply:Back here in REALITY...
North Dakota and Montana are 2 of the best places in the world to put up wind fields that will actually help to wean America off of foreign oil.
The coal companies oppose any efforts to develop wind power in those states, though, because it would cut into their markets.
Reply:It must have been there for thousands of years so why has it taken the US so long to find it (If in fact it is there at all)
Reply:Why drill and use up our oil. Why not use up the worlds oil first and then drill ours.
The high cost of gas is the only way we will learn to conserve.
Reply:no matter how much is found, the tree huggers will find a way to stop any progres.
Reply:the politicians won't let us drill and we probably have more oil than Saudi Arabia ( if I recall right their biggest field is 55 billion barrels ). the sad truth is I think we already have the technology and can get by without the oil but the gov is making too much money on taxes and they don't have to do a thing. I also heard that they found the biggest oil field in the world in Alaska and are just waiting for $150./barrel to start to drill. if the gov really wanted too we could convert to zero point energy tomorrow and it would be free (well almost).
CAT
http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next...
America is sitting on top of a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field that could potentially make America Energy Independent and until now has largely gone unnoticed. Thanks to new technology the Bakken Formation in North Dakota could boost America’s Oil reserves by an incredible 10 times, giving western economies the trump card against OPEC’s short squeeze on oil supply and making Iranian and Venezuelan threats of disrupted supply irrelevant.
In the next 30 days the USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) will release a new report giving an accurate resource assessment of the Bakken Oil Formation that covers North Dakota and portions of South Dakota and Montana. With new horizontal drilling technology it is believed that from 175 to 500 billion barrels of recoverable oil are held in this 200,000 square mile reserve that was initially discovered in 1951.
Massive oil deposit found i U.S....think the Democrats will let us ACTUALLY dig on our own soil?
The government hasn't seen Americans turning cars over and setting them on fire in the streets yet.
They haven't thought about fearing their own constituents yet.
The liberal, sandal wearing, pot smoking, tree-hugging morons don't know what's coming until it hits them that even they can't afford to be environmentally conscious.
The oil companies are full of it. They create shortages by manipulating refinery capabilities and the government stands hand in glove with them on denying licenses and permits to build any more refineries.
No one wants to drill for oil domestically when its dirt cheap to yank it out of someone else's backyard. Why? Cost of labor domestically plus cost of permits and complying with artificially increased red tape equals drilling afar as opposed to a-near.
Basic bottom line: when the consumers change their habits and make it unprofitable to import oil, they all start worrying.
Reply:Back here in REALITY...
North Dakota and Montana are 2 of the best places in the world to put up wind fields that will actually help to wean America off of foreign oil.
The coal companies oppose any efforts to develop wind power in those states, though, because it would cut into their markets.
Reply:It must have been there for thousands of years so why has it taken the US so long to find it (If in fact it is there at all)
Reply:Why drill and use up our oil. Why not use up the worlds oil first and then drill ours.
The high cost of gas is the only way we will learn to conserve.
Reply:no matter how much is found, the tree huggers will find a way to stop any progres.
Reply:the politicians won't let us drill and we probably have more oil than Saudi Arabia ( if I recall right their biggest field is 55 billion barrels ). the sad truth is I think we already have the technology and can get by without the oil but the gov is making too much money on taxes and they don't have to do a thing. I also heard that they found the biggest oil field in the world in Alaska and are just waiting for $150./barrel to start to drill. if the gov really wanted too we could convert to zero point energy tomorrow and it would be free (well almost).
CAT
Is the Book of Revelation unfolding in front of yesterday and today?
Revelation 6:12
I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008
6.3 quake rattles northeastern Nevada
16 minutes ago
WELLS, Nev. - A strong earthquake shook rural northeastern Nevada Thursday, causing at least one building to collapse and forcing a truck stop to evacuate, authorities said.
The quake had a preliminary magnitude of 6.3 and was reported at 6:16 a.m., according to the U.S. Geological Survey. It was centered in a sparsely populated area 11 miles southeast of Wells near the Nevada-Utah line.
Is the Book of Revelation unfolding in front of yesterday and today?
If you are a true believer you are already prayed up and continuing to do God's Service until Jesus calls for us. If you are not a true believer, I would be getting down on my hands %26amp; knees asking God to forgive me for all my sins, accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, He is God's only begotten Son %26amp; know that He died on the cross for you %26amp; me.
The End times are here; look at all the signs of the times, you can read of them in revelations. Examples: Wars and rumors of wars, strange weather patterns causing mass destruction %26amp; loss of life, the all mighty dollar becoming God for a lot of people, the LOVE OF money is the root of all evil, not the money itself. God knows we have to have it to exist on this earth but, You are not to put it first and forth most before God. I truly believe that you can take the bible word for word and believe it will happen just as it says it will. Not everything has been written in parables; those were told by Jesus to the people of that day, because it is the only way He could get through to them; they were not intelligent enough or learned enough to be told in any other way for them to understand what He had to tell the world. I hope when Jesus calls His Bride to come up and meet Him in the clouds that I will be able to stand beside Him and see how many NON-believers of God start hitting their knees when they start seeing the dead in Christ start raising up out of their graves and heading for the clouds to meet up with their Savior and Lord!
Reply:Again with this?? There are earthquakes around the world EVERY DAY. Eclipses happen on a REGULAR BASIS. Now if the Bible had said, "yeah...the moon shall eclipse on 2/20/08 and an earthquake in the land of Nevada on 2/21/08 shall shake the earth" I might buy it.
Reply:Yes and what you just quoted will increase like the birth pangs of a pregnant woman. They will increase in number and magnitude.
Acts 2:20
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come;
Repent and be baptised every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
Reply:Um, there have been lunar eclipses and earthquakes constantly since the formation of the solar system a bunch of millions of years ago. Just so ya' know.
Reply:No...that was just the "beginning of sorrows in the book of Mt;24" The really "BIG" stuff is yet to come! You ain't seen nothin yet! (remember the song?) were gonna Rock! "Peace!" (so don't get your underware in a bunch "yet"!) have a nice day! :)
Reply:The Book of Revelation began unfolding the day it was written.
Reply:Probably!
Down through history Jehovah has worked with natural occurrences, that man has trouble putting away.
Take the great flood that some deny happening. A scientist recently located the submerged shoreline of what was the sea level before Noah's flood. 35 feet below currant sea level.
Reply:Unbelievable.
This is neither the first earthquake nor is it the first eclipse we have had.
Superstitious nonsense.
Reply:There is a major earthquake about once per month somewhere in the world, and has been for millions of years.
Revelation is a vengeful rant of a psychotic dreaming of torturing his enemies.
Reply:Yeah!
Of course, Its been unfolding for a millennium and change.
You can connect a whole bunch of disasters to the randomness of that text.
You want a really neat trick, go find yourself a good psychic. They have the "predict-the-future-by-naming -a-bunch-of-random-stuff -that-will-likely-happen" trick down rather well, too.
Reply:yikes, not and earthquake and an eclipse. well golly gee beav, we have never had either or those happen before it must be the end. run, go hide and wait for god to come get you.
Reply:the sun did NOT turn black like sackcloth....
Reply:Even 2000 years ago, men knew of earthquakes (the middle east is a seismically active area), lunar eclipses and solar eclipses. they just hadn't a clue on what caused it, so they often had great fear that it was a bad omen.
5 billion earthquakes , 700 solar eclipses and 900 lunar eclipses later- we're still here.
So, revelations has been wrong hundreds of times before. What makes you think that this time that hallucinogenic induced author that wrote Revelations had a clue?
Reply:Nothing like that happend in the UK, so perhaps its only the US that's screwed. (What a shame)
Reply:Only for the thousandth time. Funny how vague wording gets "fulfilled" all the time, huh? Almost makes it look like purposeful deception.
Reply:The book of Revelation tells what will happen during the last 7 years. (The tribulation and the Great tribulation) The earthquake there was not the GREAT one in rev 6:12. That one will be biger then any in the past.
Reply:Yes, I think you're on to something. Never before since the writing of Revelation has there ever been a lunar eclipse, and certainly never one during one of the HUNDREDS of earthquakes that happen every day.
Reply:The book of revelations is like the writings of Nostradamus - so vague that you can twist it to mean almost anything you like.
No, revelation is not unfolding in front of us.
Reply:The Book of Revelation was written by a man named John (possibly John the Apostle) toward the end of his life. John records a vision he experiences, probably while dreaming or meditating. This vision contains a tremendous amount of symbolism; the same kind of symbolism one would see in a dream, a vision of the spirit world. In fact, the Book of Revelation contains the same symbolism found in the symbols in the Prophet Daniel's dream. All Biblical dreams, such as those of Joseph, Gideon, Daniel, Paul, and Peter, are very symbolic and therefore had a hidden spiritual meaning rather than a literal interpretation of the symbols. Such is the case with the Book of Revelation.
Chapter 4-11: Christ opens the seals of the book in heaven
Literal: John now appears at the throne of God and sees four beasts and twenty-four elders around it. On the throne sits God who has a book with seven seals. John weeps when he learns that no one can open the seals to the book. One of the elders tells John that Christ is able to open the seals. Christ then opens the seals, resulting in many earth changes. The seventh seal unleashes seven angels who sound seven trumpets which are sounded one by one.
Interpretation:
John has a mental awakening when he attains the spiritual level of the superconscious mind, within the throne of his own body. The four beasts are his four lower spiritual center's animalistic desires and the twenty-four elders are the twenty-four nerves from his brain leading to his five senses. The superconscious mind, is now in full control of John's body. The body is symbolized as a book with seven seals which "no one has the ability to open on his own" (Rev. 5:3). Only through the development of the superconscious mind within a person, can these spiritual centers within the body be opened (i.e., spiritually activated).
As each spiritual center within the body is activated, different parts of the body are purified and upheavals of the body occur mentally, physically, and spiritually. The superconscious mind spiritually activates the seventh spiritual center (the Pituitary, the master gland of the body). As a result of this, it becomes "quiet in heaven for one half hour" (Rev. 8:1). This is symbolic of the perfect control of the mind for one half hour through meditation.
The following are some of the symbols of Revelation
SYMBOL / MEANING
Paradise of God -The original consciousness of humanity before its fall into flesh
Tree of Life -The spiritual centers of the body, such as the heart and the pituitary, that becomes perfectly synchronized
Angel of the Church -The intelligent force governing a spiritual center within the body
Satan - The force of self-centeredness, self-gratification, self-indulgence, self-importance, self-righteousness, self-consciousness, self-glorification, self-delusion, self-condemnation, self, ego, the "false god," the "beast"
Book of Life -The collective unconscious record (memory) of all souls
Earth -The physical body
Mountain of fire striking the Earth -The forces within the physical body which are constantly warring within
New Jerusalem - The superconscious mind awakened
Nakedness -The exposure of faults
Seven lamps - The wisdom of the seven spiritual centers within the body
Reply:The Great 7 Year Tribulations
Now why would God implement the Great Tribulations?
· Because when he says he is going to do something (i.e. His prophecies) he is going to do just that. God never lies and always remembers his covenants.
· The world must end.
· To shatter man’s arrogance and sense of security as a ploy to get their attention.
· To end all evil and to punish the wicked
· To inaugurate his new kingdom of righteousness!
· Of course there are other reason and me being human can never know the infinite wisdom of the Sovereign Lord
Of course, an atheist and God haters can never understand God to a degree since they only focus on God’s judgments when it is clear that there is also going to be mercy during these harsh periods we call the Great tribulations.
When will the rapture occur? Nobody knows but God alone, not even his angels know! That is precisely why we all must have Jesus in our hearts as it is written:
Romans 10
8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"[d] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[e] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."[f]
If you do not accept Jesus (know this we do not know the hour of the rapture and that is to say if it happens in our generation!) then you unfortunately will have to experience a period of most egregious suffering and woes. This verse is but a mere appetizer of how painful the Great 7 year Tribulations shall be:
Jeremiah 30
4 These are the words the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah: 5 "This is what the LORD says:
" 'Cries of fear are heard—
terror, not peace.
6 Ask and see:
Can a man bear children?
Then why do I see every strong man
with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor,
every face turned deathly pale?
7 How awful that day will be!
None will be like it.
It will be a time of trouble for Jacob,
but he will be saved out of it
If you read the above graphic verse, you shall surely know that no words can describe the excruciating pain the Great Tribulations shall be, that even men will be writhing in agony as if they are in labor like women.
The Rapture of the Christians and the Crowns and Rewards:
First the Rapture shall occur which means that the true followers of Jesus shall meet in heaven too receive their crowns for their Christian services.
1 Corinthians 15
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."[g]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"[h] 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4
13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.
These Crowns are not what saves someone but after a Christian is saved by believing in Jesus as said in Romans 10:9 they are giving treasures and rewards for their selfless deeds they did on earth (please note and I shall stress, these works rewards that is are not what saves a person but are “icing-on-the-cake” rewards and incentives after being saved via Jesus). Accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior is an unconditional covenant forge by God and his sovereign son Jesus and cannot be lost. However your works, treasures, and rewards that you do can either proliferate or be sabotaged and compromised by a lazy Christian who fells him or herself to sins of the flesh. These are following things that can pass through the fire because of a Christian’s GENUINE selfless deeds:
· The base foundation is Jesus the Christ is imperative
· Gold on top of the Foundation (Jesus the Christ)
· Silver on top of the Foundation (Jesus the Christ)
· Costly precious stones on top of the Foundation (Jesus the Christ)
These are the are the following things that shall be incinerated by the fire by a Christian’s lazy selfish deeds, of the flesh and doing good deeds based on arrogance and trying to look good to his fellow man and NOT God:
· Wood
· Hay
· Straw
When these elements are passed through the fire whatever is left the saved person gets that reward. Rewards can be numerous or very few depending on how the saved Christian served God and his brethren selflessly. However even with the loss of rewards he or she is still saved as it is written:
1 Corinthians 3
15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
What that verse above means is similar to the contemporary Cliché:
“He made it by the skin of his teeth!”
Even though a Christian may lose some of his rewards and treasures he or she is still saved!!
Now let us identify the crowns, which are the following:
· Crown of life- AKA the martyrs crown those who died for bearing testimony of Jesus receive this crown
· Incorruptible crown-This is rewarded to Christians that kept their bodies pure and rejected the insatiable appetites of the flesh (i.e. immoral sex, drinking, drugs (sorcery), etc.)
· Crown of righteousness-this is giving to those who keep the faith and anxiously await Jesus return
· Crown of rejoicing*-Those who win peoples souls to Jesus. Not by Guilt, or you-will-go-to-hell but by love and obedience and by living by example not lip service hypocrisy
· Crown of joy*-AKA the Shepherds crown, those who are at full maturity. Those are great teachers like a pastor who uses his spiritual gifts to help to save the unsaved and lost.
*-These are the highest ranking of all the crowns.
The Antichrist:
Then Antichrist shall make his debut. The other names of the Antichrist are the following:
· Beast of the sea
· The abomination that makes desolate
· The king that will do as he pleases
· Tiny horn with eyes of a man that boasts to the God
· The man of lawlessness
· Son of perdition
A forewarning: ANY GUESSESS ON WHO THE ANTICHRIST IS; IS ONLY A FOOLS GAME!!! After the rapture the antichrist shall reveal himself and only the newly converts of Jesus after the rapture that is, shall decipher the name of the beast which is 666. SO IN ESSENCE ANY 666 GUESSING GAMES RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE RAPTURE IS ALSO A FOOLS GAME!!! The Antichrist will be a powerful world leader well versed in all arts. The antichrist myriads of talents to name a few are the following:
· Oratorical genius (Great speaking ability that entrances the human ears i.e. Hitler)
· Intellectual Genius
· Commercial Genius
· Military Genius
· Administrative genius
· Religious genius
· Powers of Satan
Israel’s Folly:
The Great 7 year tribulation does not happen when the rapture happens as most are commonly mistaken but only when the Antichrist forges a 7-year peace treaty so that all nations even the Arabs would recognize them as a sovereign state. As such, Israel shall pay dearly for seeking security with the grave Isaiah 28:14-15.
Israel’s Terms under the Antichrist’s Covenant:
Once Israel makes this foolish covenant with the antichrist, the terms of the deal are the following:
· Israel is given peace (False peace)
· The Jerusalem Temple is now under Israeli sovereignty on the Dome on the rock
· They are allowed to rebuild Solomon’s Temple long at last
· Israel must tear down their walls that borders their country
The Seven Seals of the Scroll:
Once Israel puts their trust into the Antichrist and not GOD, the GREAT TRIBULATIONS NOW COMMENCE. The seven seal of the scroll could not be opened by anyone except Jesus:
· 1st Seal-The antichrist; notice his bow but not an arrow; he will win the world power through peace and diplomacy.
· 2nd Seal-A great war shall break out. Some speculate this is a symbol of the Antichrist’s other true persona of pure evil and a man who has a penchant for a bloodbath.
· 3rd Seal-Famine as a result of war; a family will barely have the money to feed themselves so they must resort in buying cheap innutritious food to feed everyone thus the mention of barley. Wheat in those days is but a luxury few can afford. The oil and wine are not touch because they are the r
Reply:I do not think that when the moon is to be the colour of blood it mean a normal eclipse.
I think it will be from some other horrid thing like nuclear fallout.
Reply:yes it is and the catholic church is the beast of rev 13
jesus will supposably come in 2011 dont thumbs down plz just look it up for your self
many bad things wil happen in the coming years
I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008
6.3 quake rattles northeastern Nevada
16 minutes ago
WELLS, Nev. - A strong earthquake shook rural northeastern Nevada Thursday, causing at least one building to collapse and forcing a truck stop to evacuate, authorities said.
The quake had a preliminary magnitude of 6.3 and was reported at 6:16 a.m., according to the U.S. Geological Survey. It was centered in a sparsely populated area 11 miles southeast of Wells near the Nevada-Utah line.
Is the Book of Revelation unfolding in front of yesterday and today?
If you are a true believer you are already prayed up and continuing to do God's Service until Jesus calls for us. If you are not a true believer, I would be getting down on my hands %26amp; knees asking God to forgive me for all my sins, accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, He is God's only begotten Son %26amp; know that He died on the cross for you %26amp; me.
The End times are here; look at all the signs of the times, you can read of them in revelations. Examples: Wars and rumors of wars, strange weather patterns causing mass destruction %26amp; loss of life, the all mighty dollar becoming God for a lot of people, the LOVE OF money is the root of all evil, not the money itself. God knows we have to have it to exist on this earth but, You are not to put it first and forth most before God. I truly believe that you can take the bible word for word and believe it will happen just as it says it will. Not everything has been written in parables; those were told by Jesus to the people of that day, because it is the only way He could get through to them; they were not intelligent enough or learned enough to be told in any other way for them to understand what He had to tell the world. I hope when Jesus calls His Bride to come up and meet Him in the clouds that I will be able to stand beside Him and see how many NON-believers of God start hitting their knees when they start seeing the dead in Christ start raising up out of their graves and heading for the clouds to meet up with their Savior and Lord!
Reply:Again with this?? There are earthquakes around the world EVERY DAY. Eclipses happen on a REGULAR BASIS. Now if the Bible had said, "yeah...the moon shall eclipse on 2/20/08 and an earthquake in the land of Nevada on 2/21/08 shall shake the earth" I might buy it.
Reply:Yes and what you just quoted will increase like the birth pangs of a pregnant woman. They will increase in number and magnitude.
Acts 2:20
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come;
Repent and be baptised every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
Reply:Um, there have been lunar eclipses and earthquakes constantly since the formation of the solar system a bunch of millions of years ago. Just so ya' know.
Reply:No...that was just the "beginning of sorrows in the book of Mt;24" The really "BIG" stuff is yet to come! You ain't seen nothin yet! (remember the song?) were gonna Rock! "Peace!" (so don't get your underware in a bunch "yet"!) have a nice day! :)
Reply:The Book of Revelation began unfolding the day it was written.
Reply:Probably!
Down through history Jehovah has worked with natural occurrences, that man has trouble putting away.
Take the great flood that some deny happening. A scientist recently located the submerged shoreline of what was the sea level before Noah's flood. 35 feet below currant sea level.
Reply:Unbelievable.
This is neither the first earthquake nor is it the first eclipse we have had.
Superstitious nonsense.
Reply:There is a major earthquake about once per month somewhere in the world, and has been for millions of years.
Revelation is a vengeful rant of a psychotic dreaming of torturing his enemies.
Reply:Yeah!
Of course, Its been unfolding for a millennium and change.
You can connect a whole bunch of disasters to the randomness of that text.
You want a really neat trick, go find yourself a good psychic. They have the "predict-the-future-by-naming -a-bunch-of-random-stuff -that-will-likely-happen" trick down rather well, too.
Reply:yikes, not and earthquake and an eclipse. well golly gee beav, we have never had either or those happen before it must be the end. run, go hide and wait for god to come get you.
Reply:the sun did NOT turn black like sackcloth....
Reply:Even 2000 years ago, men knew of earthquakes (the middle east is a seismically active area), lunar eclipses and solar eclipses. they just hadn't a clue on what caused it, so they often had great fear that it was a bad omen.
5 billion earthquakes , 700 solar eclipses and 900 lunar eclipses later- we're still here.
So, revelations has been wrong hundreds of times before. What makes you think that this time that hallucinogenic induced author that wrote Revelations had a clue?
Reply:Nothing like that happend in the UK, so perhaps its only the US that's screwed. (What a shame)
Reply:Only for the thousandth time. Funny how vague wording gets "fulfilled" all the time, huh? Almost makes it look like purposeful deception.
Reply:The book of Revelation tells what will happen during the last 7 years. (The tribulation and the Great tribulation) The earthquake there was not the GREAT one in rev 6:12. That one will be biger then any in the past.
Reply:Yes, I think you're on to something. Never before since the writing of Revelation has there ever been a lunar eclipse, and certainly never one during one of the HUNDREDS of earthquakes that happen every day.
Reply:The book of revelations is like the writings of Nostradamus - so vague that you can twist it to mean almost anything you like.
No, revelation is not unfolding in front of us.
Reply:The Book of Revelation was written by a man named John (possibly John the Apostle) toward the end of his life. John records a vision he experiences, probably while dreaming or meditating. This vision contains a tremendous amount of symbolism; the same kind of symbolism one would see in a dream, a vision of the spirit world. In fact, the Book of Revelation contains the same symbolism found in the symbols in the Prophet Daniel's dream. All Biblical dreams, such as those of Joseph, Gideon, Daniel, Paul, and Peter, are very symbolic and therefore had a hidden spiritual meaning rather than a literal interpretation of the symbols. Such is the case with the Book of Revelation.
Chapter 4-11: Christ opens the seals of the book in heaven
Literal: John now appears at the throne of God and sees four beasts and twenty-four elders around it. On the throne sits God who has a book with seven seals. John weeps when he learns that no one can open the seals to the book. One of the elders tells John that Christ is able to open the seals. Christ then opens the seals, resulting in many earth changes. The seventh seal unleashes seven angels who sound seven trumpets which are sounded one by one.
Interpretation:
John has a mental awakening when he attains the spiritual level of the superconscious mind, within the throne of his own body. The four beasts are his four lower spiritual center's animalistic desires and the twenty-four elders are the twenty-four nerves from his brain leading to his five senses. The superconscious mind, is now in full control of John's body. The body is symbolized as a book with seven seals which "no one has the ability to open on his own" (Rev. 5:3). Only through the development of the superconscious mind within a person, can these spiritual centers within the body be opened (i.e., spiritually activated).
As each spiritual center within the body is activated, different parts of the body are purified and upheavals of the body occur mentally, physically, and spiritually. The superconscious mind spiritually activates the seventh spiritual center (the Pituitary, the master gland of the body). As a result of this, it becomes "quiet in heaven for one half hour" (Rev. 8:1). This is symbolic of the perfect control of the mind for one half hour through meditation.
The following are some of the symbols of Revelation
SYMBOL / MEANING
Paradise of God -The original consciousness of humanity before its fall into flesh
Tree of Life -The spiritual centers of the body, such as the heart and the pituitary, that becomes perfectly synchronized
Angel of the Church -The intelligent force governing a spiritual center within the body
Satan - The force of self-centeredness, self-gratification, self-indulgence, self-importance, self-righteousness, self-consciousness, self-glorification, self-delusion, self-condemnation, self, ego, the "false god," the "beast"
Book of Life -The collective unconscious record (memory) of all souls
Earth -The physical body
Mountain of fire striking the Earth -The forces within the physical body which are constantly warring within
New Jerusalem - The superconscious mind awakened
Nakedness -The exposure of faults
Seven lamps - The wisdom of the seven spiritual centers within the body
Reply:The Great 7 Year Tribulations
Now why would God implement the Great Tribulations?
· Because when he says he is going to do something (i.e. His prophecies) he is going to do just that. God never lies and always remembers his covenants.
· The world must end.
· To shatter man’s arrogance and sense of security as a ploy to get their attention.
· To end all evil and to punish the wicked
· To inaugurate his new kingdom of righteousness!
· Of course there are other reason and me being human can never know the infinite wisdom of the Sovereign Lord
Of course, an atheist and God haters can never understand God to a degree since they only focus on God’s judgments when it is clear that there is also going to be mercy during these harsh periods we call the Great tribulations.
When will the rapture occur? Nobody knows but God alone, not even his angels know! That is precisely why we all must have Jesus in our hearts as it is written:
Romans 10
8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"[d] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[e] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."[f]
If you do not accept Jesus (know this we do not know the hour of the rapture and that is to say if it happens in our generation!) then you unfortunately will have to experience a period of most egregious suffering and woes. This verse is but a mere appetizer of how painful the Great 7 year Tribulations shall be:
Jeremiah 30
4 These are the words the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah: 5 "This is what the LORD says:
" 'Cries of fear are heard—
terror, not peace.
6 Ask and see:
Can a man bear children?
Then why do I see every strong man
with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor,
every face turned deathly pale?
7 How awful that day will be!
None will be like it.
It will be a time of trouble for Jacob,
but he will be saved out of it
If you read the above graphic verse, you shall surely know that no words can describe the excruciating pain the Great Tribulations shall be, that even men will be writhing in agony as if they are in labor like women.
The Rapture of the Christians and the Crowns and Rewards:
First the Rapture shall occur which means that the true followers of Jesus shall meet in heaven too receive their crowns for their Christian services.
1 Corinthians 15
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."[g]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"[h] 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4
13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.
These Crowns are not what saves someone but after a Christian is saved by believing in Jesus as said in Romans 10:9 they are giving treasures and rewards for their selfless deeds they did on earth (please note and I shall stress, these works rewards that is are not what saves a person but are “icing-on-the-cake” rewards and incentives after being saved via Jesus). Accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior is an unconditional covenant forge by God and his sovereign son Jesus and cannot be lost. However your works, treasures, and rewards that you do can either proliferate or be sabotaged and compromised by a lazy Christian who fells him or herself to sins of the flesh. These are following things that can pass through the fire because of a Christian’s GENUINE selfless deeds:
· The base foundation is Jesus the Christ is imperative
· Gold on top of the Foundation (Jesus the Christ)
· Silver on top of the Foundation (Jesus the Christ)
· Costly precious stones on top of the Foundation (Jesus the Christ)
These are the are the following things that shall be incinerated by the fire by a Christian’s lazy selfish deeds, of the flesh and doing good deeds based on arrogance and trying to look good to his fellow man and NOT God:
· Wood
· Hay
· Straw
When these elements are passed through the fire whatever is left the saved person gets that reward. Rewards can be numerous or very few depending on how the saved Christian served God and his brethren selflessly. However even with the loss of rewards he or she is still saved as it is written:
1 Corinthians 3
15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
What that verse above means is similar to the contemporary Cliché:
“He made it by the skin of his teeth!”
Even though a Christian may lose some of his rewards and treasures he or she is still saved!!
Now let us identify the crowns, which are the following:
· Crown of life- AKA the martyrs crown those who died for bearing testimony of Jesus receive this crown
· Incorruptible crown-This is rewarded to Christians that kept their bodies pure and rejected the insatiable appetites of the flesh (i.e. immoral sex, drinking, drugs (sorcery), etc.)
· Crown of righteousness-this is giving to those who keep the faith and anxiously await Jesus return
· Crown of rejoicing*-Those who win peoples souls to Jesus. Not by Guilt, or you-will-go-to-hell but by love and obedience and by living by example not lip service hypocrisy
· Crown of joy*-AKA the Shepherds crown, those who are at full maturity. Those are great teachers like a pastor who uses his spiritual gifts to help to save the unsaved and lost.
*-These are the highest ranking of all the crowns.
The Antichrist:
Then Antichrist shall make his debut. The other names of the Antichrist are the following:
· Beast of the sea
· The abomination that makes desolate
· The king that will do as he pleases
· Tiny horn with eyes of a man that boasts to the God
· The man of lawlessness
· Son of perdition
A forewarning: ANY GUESSESS ON WHO THE ANTICHRIST IS; IS ONLY A FOOLS GAME!!! After the rapture the antichrist shall reveal himself and only the newly converts of Jesus after the rapture that is, shall decipher the name of the beast which is 666. SO IN ESSENCE ANY 666 GUESSING GAMES RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE RAPTURE IS ALSO A FOOLS GAME!!! The Antichrist will be a powerful world leader well versed in all arts. The antichrist myriads of talents to name a few are the following:
· Oratorical genius (Great speaking ability that entrances the human ears i.e. Hitler)
· Intellectual Genius
· Commercial Genius
· Military Genius
· Administrative genius
· Religious genius
· Powers of Satan
Israel’s Folly:
The Great 7 year tribulation does not happen when the rapture happens as most are commonly mistaken but only when the Antichrist forges a 7-year peace treaty so that all nations even the Arabs would recognize them as a sovereign state. As such, Israel shall pay dearly for seeking security with the grave Isaiah 28:14-15.
Israel’s Terms under the Antichrist’s Covenant:
Once Israel makes this foolish covenant with the antichrist, the terms of the deal are the following:
· Israel is given peace (False peace)
· The Jerusalem Temple is now under Israeli sovereignty on the Dome on the rock
· They are allowed to rebuild Solomon’s Temple long at last
· Israel must tear down their walls that borders their country
The Seven Seals of the Scroll:
Once Israel puts their trust into the Antichrist and not GOD, the GREAT TRIBULATIONS NOW COMMENCE. The seven seal of the scroll could not be opened by anyone except Jesus:
· 1st Seal-The antichrist; notice his bow but not an arrow; he will win the world power through peace and diplomacy.
· 2nd Seal-A great war shall break out. Some speculate this is a symbol of the Antichrist’s other true persona of pure evil and a man who has a penchant for a bloodbath.
· 3rd Seal-Famine as a result of war; a family will barely have the money to feed themselves so they must resort in buying cheap innutritious food to feed everyone thus the mention of barley. Wheat in those days is but a luxury few can afford. The oil and wine are not touch because they are the r
Reply:I do not think that when the moon is to be the colour of blood it mean a normal eclipse.
I think it will be from some other horrid thing like nuclear fallout.
Reply:yes it is and the catholic church is the beast of rev 13
jesus will supposably come in 2011 dont thumbs down plz just look it up for your self
many bad things wil happen in the coming years
Isn't it time we had a roll call vote on ANWR?
After Clinton vetoed a bill allowing us to drill in ANWR in 1995, the debate has continued. Republicans constantly being stopped by the Democrats, who are beholden to the liberals and Green lobby.
Only 2,000 acres of the 10-02 Area are to be used for the permanent infrastructure -- the pipelines, oil wells, etc. The10-02 Area is neither a refuge nor wilderness and definitely not scenic despite constant claims to the contrary by the Green Lobby.
The United States Geological Survey has estimated ANWR holds a mean estimate of 10.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil. This would be the equivalent of a "Prudhoe Bay II."
Within a few years, an additional million barrels a day could be flowing to West Coast refineries. And if President Clinton hadn't vetoed ANWR legislation in 1995, that oil would be flowing today." ANWR's development can help to lessen our dependence on foreign oil; so also would the careful opening of other protected onshore and offshore sites.
Isn't it time we had a roll call vote on ANWR?
Of course we need a roll-call vote on ANWR. Any senator who votes against ANWR may claim to care what you're paying for gasoline, but doesn't actually care and has his or her head in the sand. The superpowers of the 21st century will be the ones who provide for their own needs at or near energy independence. America needs a plan so that we can stop being beholden to the likes of Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for our fuel needs.
We need to open drilling in ANWR; in currently banned offshore areas on both the Atlantic and the Pacific Coasts; AND the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. We need to explore drilling in other onshore areas of the U.S., most notably in the highly promising Bakken Formation in North Dakota and Montana. AND we need to quicken the quest for alternative energy sources to be phased in at the same time as our ability to drill for the oil that's domestically recoverable declines in future decades.
America's ongoing strength as a country depends on our ability to remain world leaders in providing a full portfolio of energy availability for our great multifaceted economy -- NOT to lay waste to that same economy which would destroy countless lives and jobs and take our greatest contributions to the world off the table. The time to act on a new multi-pronged Energy Production Revolution in this country has arrived -- we are being pressed upon to act, and we need to be fully up to this new national challenge.
Reply:Sure. But the answer will still be no. Instead of drilling new holes. Let's lead the planet in research, developement ,and innovation of alternate energies.
Reply:Theree are literally trillions of barrels of oil still sitting untouched under Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, and Arizona. Why go all the way to Alaska?
Reply:Just wondering what the motive is behind the veto.
Reply:I say no drilling. We need to be FORCED to come up with alternate sources of energy. It won't happen until we are forced to.
Reply:DIG, DIG DEEP, DIG DEEPER, DON'T STOP DIGGING.
Reply:Why continue to use a resource as dirty and inefficient as oil. Sure we would have oil for now, but what about a few years from now, then what? Maybe instead of trying to suck every last drop of oil out of this planet we should try to find an alternative energy source. It makes absolutely no sense to drill in such untouched land like Alaska. We need to at least keep some nature on this planet. And with these gas prices rising, it will hopefully force the people on this planet to find new technology.
Only 2,000 acres of the 10-02 Area are to be used for the permanent infrastructure -- the pipelines, oil wells, etc. The10-02 Area is neither a refuge nor wilderness and definitely not scenic despite constant claims to the contrary by the Green Lobby.
The United States Geological Survey has estimated ANWR holds a mean estimate of 10.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil. This would be the equivalent of a "Prudhoe Bay II."
Within a few years, an additional million barrels a day could be flowing to West Coast refineries. And if President Clinton hadn't vetoed ANWR legislation in 1995, that oil would be flowing today." ANWR's development can help to lessen our dependence on foreign oil; so also would the careful opening of other protected onshore and offshore sites.
Isn't it time we had a roll call vote on ANWR?
Of course we need a roll-call vote on ANWR. Any senator who votes against ANWR may claim to care what you're paying for gasoline, but doesn't actually care and has his or her head in the sand. The superpowers of the 21st century will be the ones who provide for their own needs at or near energy independence. America needs a plan so that we can stop being beholden to the likes of Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for our fuel needs.
We need to open drilling in ANWR; in currently banned offshore areas on both the Atlantic and the Pacific Coasts; AND the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. We need to explore drilling in other onshore areas of the U.S., most notably in the highly promising Bakken Formation in North Dakota and Montana. AND we need to quicken the quest for alternative energy sources to be phased in at the same time as our ability to drill for the oil that's domestically recoverable declines in future decades.
America's ongoing strength as a country depends on our ability to remain world leaders in providing a full portfolio of energy availability for our great multifaceted economy -- NOT to lay waste to that same economy which would destroy countless lives and jobs and take our greatest contributions to the world off the table. The time to act on a new multi-pronged Energy Production Revolution in this country has arrived -- we are being pressed upon to act, and we need to be fully up to this new national challenge.
Reply:Sure. But the answer will still be no. Instead of drilling new holes. Let's lead the planet in research, developement ,and innovation of alternate energies.
Reply:Theree are literally trillions of barrels of oil still sitting untouched under Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, and Arizona. Why go all the way to Alaska?
Reply:Just wondering what the motive is behind the veto.
Reply:I say no drilling. We need to be FORCED to come up with alternate sources of energy. It won't happen until we are forced to.
Reply:DIG, DIG DEEP, DIG DEEPER, DON'T STOP DIGGING.
Reply:Why continue to use a resource as dirty and inefficient as oil. Sure we would have oil for now, but what about a few years from now, then what? Maybe instead of trying to suck every last drop of oil out of this planet we should try to find an alternative energy source. It makes absolutely no sense to drill in such untouched land like Alaska. We need to at least keep some nature on this planet. And with these gas prices rising, it will hopefully force the people on this planet to find new technology.
How will this information be helpful to you or those around you?
Working as part of the National Science Foundation's West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide (WAIS Divide) Ice Core Project, a team of scientists, engineers, technicians, and students from multiple U.S. institutions have recovered a 580-meter (1,900-foot) ice core -- the first section of what is hoped to be a 3,465-meter (11,360-foot) column of ice detailing 100,000 years of Earth's climate history, including a precise year-by-year record of the last 40,000 years.
The dust, chemicals, and air trapped in the two-mile-long ice core will provide critical information for scientists working to predict the extent to which human activity will alter Earth's climate, according to the chief scientist for the project, Kendrick Taylor of the Desert Research Institute of the Nevada System of Higher Education. DRI, along with the University of New Hampshire, operates the Science Coordination Office for the WAIS Divide Project.
WAIS Divide, named for the high-elevation region that is the boundary separating opposing flow directions on the ice sheet, is the best spot on the planet to recover ancient ice containing trapped air bubbles -- samples of the Earth's atmosphere from the present to as far back as 100,000 years ago.
While other ice cores have been used to develop longer records of Earth's atmosphere, the record from WAIS Divide will allow a more detailed study of the interaction of previous increases in greenhouse gases and climate change. This information will improve computer models that are used to predict how the current unprecedented high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity will influence future climate.
The WAIS Divide core is also the Southern Hemisphere equivalent of a series of ice cores drilled in Greenland beginning in 1989, and it will provide the best opportunity for scientists to determine if global-scale climate changes that occurred before human activity started to influence climate were initiated in the Arctic, the tropics, or Antarctica.
The new core will also allow investigations of biological material in deep ice, which will yield information about biogeochemical processes that control and are controlled by climate, as well as lead to fundamental insights about life on Earth.
Says Taylor, "We are very excited to work with ancient ice that fell as snow as long as 100,000 years ago. We read the ice like other people might read a stack of old weather reports."
The WAIS project took more than 15 years of planning and preparation, including extensive airborne reconnaissance and ground-based geophysical research, to pinpoint the one-square-kilometer (less than a square mile) space on the 932,000-square-kilometer (360,000-square-mile) ice sheet that scientists believe will provide the clearest climate record for the last 100,000 years.
With only some 40 days a year when the weather is warm enough for drilling -- yesterday's temperature was a balmy -15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) -- it is expected to take until January 2010 to complete the fieldwork.
For the project, Ice Coring and Drilling Services of the University of Wisconsin-Madison built and is operating a state-of-the-art, deep ice-coring drill, which is more like a piece of scientific equipment than a conventional rock drill used in petroleum exploration. The U.S. Geological Survey National Ice Core Laboratory in Denver designed the core handling system. Raytheon Polar Services Corporation provides the logistical support. The NSF Office of Polar Programs-U.S. Antarctic Program funds the project. The core will be archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, which is run by the USGS with funding from NSF.
How will this information be helpful to you or those around you?
Not very much. Ice core data is very speculative and includes a lot of assumptions. Another good idea for scientists to predict future climate change and keep them employed in a job. This is a classic example. The worse the predictions the more money they will pour into the project. More money for the scientists who would other wise not have a job. I wish I was on a project like this. Free money for guessing past climates.
Reply:It will help with understanding possible drivers behind global warming. I might add though, that 'unprecedented' is not a word I would apply to the current levels of CO2 - I suspect the Earth has had higher levels of CO2 in the distant path - certainly in historical times, the levels are much higher than in the past, but the Earth has had similarly high levels of carbon dioxide in its past...
The dust, chemicals, and air trapped in the two-mile-long ice core will provide critical information for scientists working to predict the extent to which human activity will alter Earth's climate, according to the chief scientist for the project, Kendrick Taylor of the Desert Research Institute of the Nevada System of Higher Education. DRI, along with the University of New Hampshire, operates the Science Coordination Office for the WAIS Divide Project.
WAIS Divide, named for the high-elevation region that is the boundary separating opposing flow directions on the ice sheet, is the best spot on the planet to recover ancient ice containing trapped air bubbles -- samples of the Earth's atmosphere from the present to as far back as 100,000 years ago.
While other ice cores have been used to develop longer records of Earth's atmosphere, the record from WAIS Divide will allow a more detailed study of the interaction of previous increases in greenhouse gases and climate change. This information will improve computer models that are used to predict how the current unprecedented high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity will influence future climate.
The WAIS Divide core is also the Southern Hemisphere equivalent of a series of ice cores drilled in Greenland beginning in 1989, and it will provide the best opportunity for scientists to determine if global-scale climate changes that occurred before human activity started to influence climate were initiated in the Arctic, the tropics, or Antarctica.
The new core will also allow investigations of biological material in deep ice, which will yield information about biogeochemical processes that control and are controlled by climate, as well as lead to fundamental insights about life on Earth.
Says Taylor, "We are very excited to work with ancient ice that fell as snow as long as 100,000 years ago. We read the ice like other people might read a stack of old weather reports."
The WAIS project took more than 15 years of planning and preparation, including extensive airborne reconnaissance and ground-based geophysical research, to pinpoint the one-square-kilometer (less than a square mile) space on the 932,000-square-kilometer (360,000-square-mile) ice sheet that scientists believe will provide the clearest climate record for the last 100,000 years.
With only some 40 days a year when the weather is warm enough for drilling -- yesterday's temperature was a balmy -15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) -- it is expected to take until January 2010 to complete the fieldwork.
For the project, Ice Coring and Drilling Services of the University of Wisconsin-Madison built and is operating a state-of-the-art, deep ice-coring drill, which is more like a piece of scientific equipment than a conventional rock drill used in petroleum exploration. The U.S. Geological Survey National Ice Core Laboratory in Denver designed the core handling system. Raytheon Polar Services Corporation provides the logistical support. The NSF Office of Polar Programs-U.S. Antarctic Program funds the project. The core will be archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, which is run by the USGS with funding from NSF.
How will this information be helpful to you or those around you?
Not very much. Ice core data is very speculative and includes a lot of assumptions. Another good idea for scientists to predict future climate change and keep them employed in a job. This is a classic example. The worse the predictions the more money they will pour into the project. More money for the scientists who would other wise not have a job. I wish I was on a project like this. Free money for guessing past climates.
Reply:It will help with understanding possible drivers behind global warming. I might add though, that 'unprecedented' is not a word I would apply to the current levels of CO2 - I suspect the Earth has had higher levels of CO2 in the distant path - certainly in historical times, the levels are much higher than in the past, but the Earth has had similarly high levels of carbon dioxide in its past...
Do you think the polar bear should be added to the Endangered Species List?
At the moment, the world’s polar bear population appears to be stable. However, we know that polar bears rely on arctic sea ice to hunt, and that this sea ice has been melting at faster and faster rates in the summer.
"The US Geological Survey predicts that it will fall by two-thirds by 2050 if the Arctic ice where the animals live continues to shrink."
"There are “reservations” to be digested, he said, including questions raised by Alaska’s Republican governor, Sarah Palin.
Palin, 42, favours expanding the oil business. She says polar bears could be protected under existing laws without undermining the Alaskan economy."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/en...
Basically nobody is disputing that global warming will soon cause polar bear populations to decline, but some groups don't want to put it on the Endangered Species List because we don't know what actions would result. For example, it could justify regulating CO2 emissions nationwide.
Do you think the polar bear should be added to the Endangered Species List?
Based off of the latest reasearch, I would vote yes.
Excerpt from US Geological Survey (released 9/7/2007)...
"Future reduction of sea ice in the Arctic could result in a loss of 2/3 of the world's polar bear population within 50 years according to a series of studies released today by the U.S. Geological Survey. "
Reply:No sooner than the Golden Trout, the Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog, and hundreds of other threatened species that the Fish and Wildlife Service no longer has adequate funding to monitor or list as endangered. I met with one FWS manager last year who has seen her staff of biologists reduced from 6 to 1.
As of September 25, 2006, there were 279 candidate species. Just because polar bears make cuddly stuffed animals doesn't mean they should be listed first.
Listing is also pointless while recovery programs remain seriously underfunded:
“The Endangered Species Act has been tremendously successful at protecting species from extinction and setting them on the path to recovery once they are added to the endangered list,” said Melissa Waage with the Center for Biological Diversity. “However, the Bush administration’s consistent underfunding of key Fish and Wildlife Service endangered species programs is a roadblock to further progress on endangered species’ recovery.”
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd...
The Bush adminstration has had the lowest listing rate and the highest delisting rate of any presidential administration in the past 40 years:
http://www.stopextinction.org/site/c.epI...
The Bush administration is the only presidency in the history of the ESA to have not listed a single species except in response to petitions and/or lawsuits by scientists and citizen groups.
The Bush administration is the only presidency in the history of the ESA to have declared that a species is going extinct, but should not be listed because it is Ainsignificant.@ It has done so three times (Puget Sound orcas, Lower Kootenai River burbot, and Western gray squirrel (WA population).
The Bush administration has issued 49 negative listing decisions (including seven “Warranted But Precluded” findings) and listed only 40 species. This ratio is unmatched by any other administration. Seventeen (35%) of the 49 positive 90-day and 12-month findings were to delist or downlist species.
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So if we don't need orcas, why do we need polar bears?
What's the point of listing any species if the funds and staff are insufficient to implement a recovery plan? What would the FWS plan be to restore Arctic ice sheets (on a budget of a couple of million dollars)? It's just money down the drain. Talk of listing them looks like speculation and seems to be driven by public opinion, not science (including immediacy of the threat and the odds of recovery success).
No, if we're going to keep the Endangered Species Act at all, the Fish and Wildlife Service needs to be adequately funded and needs to make rational, not political or popular, decisions.
Unfortunately the current adminstration has seriously undermined and corrupted the listing and recovery process. Anyone remotely resembling the current administration needs to be kicked as far out of office as we can boot them.
Fortunately the level of support for environmentally conscious Republicans such as Schwarzenegger and McCain has shown that there are a lot of moderate Republicans who value the environment, and it's not a case of having to choose one political party or the other simply to have reasonable and sane environmental policy.
Reply:Absolutely not ! polar bears evolved from the brown bear some 200,000 years ago, they have managed to survive
without man's aid until today, in all that time, the only threat to them was being almost wiped out by hunting in the recent past. They survived the Inter-glacial period which saw no Arctic ice cap, and which was about 5.5 deg C warmer than it is today.
Reply:It would be rediculous to put polar bears on the endangered species list without knowing they are endangered. I am sure that someone like you who has lived in the big city all their life (I would be shocked if that were not true), may not realize that animals all struggle to survive. Most polar bears die in their first year of life. Most don't live very many years. They often starve if the winters are too severe or if they can't find enough food. That is how it is, always has been, and always will be. You may pretend that global warming is going to be a struggle for polar bears and it is certainly possible, but you seem to be ignorant of the struggle for survival that is the real life for practically every wild animal, particularly the polar bear. They survived through previous warming periods. They are doing fine now. Any predictions of doom and gloom are just that, predictions. In my opinion, they are predictions with very little merit.
Reply:Sure, but just let me have a chance for a seasonal raffle.The ones in the wild are doing so much better then those in captivity.Why the EMO approach...?
Edit:(JS),get over it, everyone knows hunters and fishermen contribute more to the well being of conservation then any government agency....your not going to fool anybody with that.
Reply:I thought they were on the list.
Yes.
Reply:NO I DO NOT.
Reply:They should be put in the list because they are already endangered...
Reply:Won't the alarmists be amazed when the mighty polar bear adapts its hunting style instead of rolling over and dying. These things hunt EVERYTHING.
Edit: (Do you trust SeaWorld?)
http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info...
"When other food is unavailable, polar bears eat reindeer, small rodents, seabirds, waterfowl, fish, eggs, vegetation (including kelp), berries, and human garbage."
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/polar.h...
"The primary food source for the polar bear is seals. It also eats fish, seabirds and sometimes reindeer. In the summer, the polar bear may also eat berries and other plants."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
"Found throughout Arctic regions, the polar bear can swim miles from land or ice packs. Seal constitutes the majority of the polar bear's diet, but the bears aren't picky eaters: They will also eat fish, seaweed, caribou, grass, birds, and even stranded whales."
Edit: Do I REALLY have to stipulate the bears don't eat dirt, rocks, or their own poo (normally)? Would you have preferred opportunistic omnivores? Does your degree cover biology, zoology, and ecology, too? You honestly believe these alternative food sources are only found on the ice flows? Thanks for answering MY question, though....you obviously WILL be amazed when they keep on thriving without the ice.
Reply:I agree with eric. i care for the polar bears, the environment, and everything that comes with it. but the endangered species list is for endangered species, not species that might become endangered.
Reply:yes i think they should be added to the endagered list.
Reply:Polar bears should go on go on the list because (as you said) the polar icecaps are melting and it is getting harder for them to get to land. Usually they swim from pieces of ice in the ocean but with less ice out there, they have to swim longer and some are dying trying.
Reply:Until the numbers really start going down than yes something should be done.
Not just because someone has a theory about what may or may not happen.
Reply:They have survived warmer periods. They'll survive this one. You say their population is stable but the sea ice has been shrinking all this time?
Are you sure it's not speculation that disappearing ice will hurt them? They can still hunt from the coasts, and besides, the sea ice is making a comeback.
Dana says...
"I suggest watching the Planet Earth series (available on DVD). They had one segment on polar bears, and actually showed one struggling to hunt on thin ice. Another (or possibly the same one) became desperate and was forced to try and attack sea lions, failed, and ended up dying."
That is so ridiculous. A stable population means animals are dying and new ones are being born. That's called nature. Nature is not kind in its treatment of animals. Only the fittest survive--thus improving the health of the population. When a polar bear dies naturally it is usually because of starvation. It's been this way for all time. This leaves room for healthier bears to replace it. If those bears DID die it wasn't because of thin ice. There is ALWAYS thin ice. They died because they were weak. This happens in stable populations. That's why they're stable.
As usual, you blame EVERYTHING bad on global warming (even when it hasn't happened). You've got that religion and you've got it bad.
Jim, you're right about the city-boy peg.
Reply:You do not put on species that might hypothetically be endangered. You put on species that are endangered.
Reply:The truth is some of us would like to gain what ever leverage we can to say enough is enough. The last undisturbed places are down to less than 5% of what has already been claimed by humans for developement and profit.
Let the Polar Bears become a symbol of the out come of this issue one way or the other.
I would choose to stand for the benefit of the Polar Bears based on the precautionary princle...
Reply:The polar bear has existed for thousands of years. It survived glaciers and warmer temps than now.
And, in case you want to know, they have nothing to worry about. The sea ice has come back with a roar.
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
Yes I know this "is a blog". The typical arguement of the AGW fanatics. They happen to do a nice job of summary and provide NASA graphs.
Reply:I think we should put polarbears ont the Endangered Species List because they need some help living with these ice killers. It is wrong if we don't! We have to make a stand for the polarbears!!!!
Reply:"The US Geological Survey predicts that it will fall by two-thirds by 2050 if the Arctic ice where the animals live continues to shrink"
Absolutely not, in 2050 Arctic Ice will be well past record levels of accumulation, and the last thing human beings will be worried about is polar bears. The US Geological Survey should be preparing the country for a long term global cooling episode, instead of adding to the prophesies of a handful of poorly written computer simulations.
Reply:That would depend upon the standard for determining whether a species is "endangered." Is the standard based upon the size of the population or based upon recent changes in the size of the population?
For example, the polar bear population has increased five-fold since the 1960s, but is still between 25,000 and 30,000.
As for the predictions about what will happen in the next fifty years, think that is all conjecture - especially considering that the prediction you cite is the opposite of what has happened over the last fifty years, during half of which we've already experienced the phenomenon that you say will cause the trend to reverse.
Reply:I think all life on earth should be on the endangered species list. All of life in endangered in one form or another.
shark teeth
"The US Geological Survey predicts that it will fall by two-thirds by 2050 if the Arctic ice where the animals live continues to shrink."
"There are “reservations” to be digested, he said, including questions raised by Alaska’s Republican governor, Sarah Palin.
Palin, 42, favours expanding the oil business. She says polar bears could be protected under existing laws without undermining the Alaskan economy."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/en...
Basically nobody is disputing that global warming will soon cause polar bear populations to decline, but some groups don't want to put it on the Endangered Species List because we don't know what actions would result. For example, it could justify regulating CO2 emissions nationwide.
Do you think the polar bear should be added to the Endangered Species List?
Based off of the latest reasearch, I would vote yes.
Excerpt from US Geological Survey (released 9/7/2007)...
"Future reduction of sea ice in the Arctic could result in a loss of 2/3 of the world's polar bear population within 50 years according to a series of studies released today by the U.S. Geological Survey. "
Reply:No sooner than the Golden Trout, the Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog, and hundreds of other threatened species that the Fish and Wildlife Service no longer has adequate funding to monitor or list as endangered. I met with one FWS manager last year who has seen her staff of biologists reduced from 6 to 1.
As of September 25, 2006, there were 279 candidate species. Just because polar bears make cuddly stuffed animals doesn't mean they should be listed first.
Listing is also pointless while recovery programs remain seriously underfunded:
“The Endangered Species Act has been tremendously successful at protecting species from extinction and setting them on the path to recovery once they are added to the endangered list,” said Melissa Waage with the Center for Biological Diversity. “However, the Bush administration’s consistent underfunding of key Fish and Wildlife Service endangered species programs is a roadblock to further progress on endangered species’ recovery.”
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd...
The Bush adminstration has had the lowest listing rate and the highest delisting rate of any presidential administration in the past 40 years:
http://www.stopextinction.org/site/c.epI...
The Bush administration is the only presidency in the history of the ESA to have not listed a single species except in response to petitions and/or lawsuits by scientists and citizen groups.
The Bush administration is the only presidency in the history of the ESA to have declared that a species is going extinct, but should not be listed because it is Ainsignificant.@ It has done so three times (Puget Sound orcas, Lower Kootenai River burbot, and Western gray squirrel (WA population).
The Bush administration has issued 49 negative listing decisions (including seven “Warranted But Precluded” findings) and listed only 40 species. This ratio is unmatched by any other administration. Seventeen (35%) of the 49 positive 90-day and 12-month findings were to delist or downlist species.
---
So if we don't need orcas, why do we need polar bears?
What's the point of listing any species if the funds and staff are insufficient to implement a recovery plan? What would the FWS plan be to restore Arctic ice sheets (on a budget of a couple of million dollars)? It's just money down the drain. Talk of listing them looks like speculation and seems to be driven by public opinion, not science (including immediacy of the threat and the odds of recovery success).
No, if we're going to keep the Endangered Species Act at all, the Fish and Wildlife Service needs to be adequately funded and needs to make rational, not political or popular, decisions.
Unfortunately the current adminstration has seriously undermined and corrupted the listing and recovery process. Anyone remotely resembling the current administration needs to be kicked as far out of office as we can boot them.
Fortunately the level of support for environmentally conscious Republicans such as Schwarzenegger and McCain has shown that there are a lot of moderate Republicans who value the environment, and it's not a case of having to choose one political party or the other simply to have reasonable and sane environmental policy.
Reply:Absolutely not ! polar bears evolved from the brown bear some 200,000 years ago, they have managed to survive
without man's aid until today, in all that time, the only threat to them was being almost wiped out by hunting in the recent past. They survived the Inter-glacial period which saw no Arctic ice cap, and which was about 5.5 deg C warmer than it is today.
Reply:It would be rediculous to put polar bears on the endangered species list without knowing they are endangered. I am sure that someone like you who has lived in the big city all their life (I would be shocked if that were not true), may not realize that animals all struggle to survive. Most polar bears die in their first year of life. Most don't live very many years. They often starve if the winters are too severe or if they can't find enough food. That is how it is, always has been, and always will be. You may pretend that global warming is going to be a struggle for polar bears and it is certainly possible, but you seem to be ignorant of the struggle for survival that is the real life for practically every wild animal, particularly the polar bear. They survived through previous warming periods. They are doing fine now. Any predictions of doom and gloom are just that, predictions. In my opinion, they are predictions with very little merit.
Reply:Sure, but just let me have a chance for a seasonal raffle.The ones in the wild are doing so much better then those in captivity.Why the EMO approach...?
Edit:(JS),get over it, everyone knows hunters and fishermen contribute more to the well being of conservation then any government agency....your not going to fool anybody with that.
Reply:I thought they were on the list.
Yes.
Reply:NO I DO NOT.
Reply:They should be put in the list because they are already endangered...
Reply:Won't the alarmists be amazed when the mighty polar bear adapts its hunting style instead of rolling over and dying. These things hunt EVERYTHING.
Edit: (Do you trust SeaWorld?)
http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info...
"When other food is unavailable, polar bears eat reindeer, small rodents, seabirds, waterfowl, fish, eggs, vegetation (including kelp), berries, and human garbage."
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/polar.h...
"The primary food source for the polar bear is seals. It also eats fish, seabirds and sometimes reindeer. In the summer, the polar bear may also eat berries and other plants."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
"Found throughout Arctic regions, the polar bear can swim miles from land or ice packs. Seal constitutes the majority of the polar bear's diet, but the bears aren't picky eaters: They will also eat fish, seaweed, caribou, grass, birds, and even stranded whales."
Edit: Do I REALLY have to stipulate the bears don't eat dirt, rocks, or their own poo (normally)? Would you have preferred opportunistic omnivores? Does your degree cover biology, zoology, and ecology, too? You honestly believe these alternative food sources are only found on the ice flows? Thanks for answering MY question, though....you obviously WILL be amazed when they keep on thriving without the ice.
Reply:I agree with eric. i care for the polar bears, the environment, and everything that comes with it. but the endangered species list is for endangered species, not species that might become endangered.
Reply:yes i think they should be added to the endagered list.
Reply:Polar bears should go on go on the list because (as you said) the polar icecaps are melting and it is getting harder for them to get to land. Usually they swim from pieces of ice in the ocean but with less ice out there, they have to swim longer and some are dying trying.
Reply:Until the numbers really start going down than yes something should be done.
Not just because someone has a theory about what may or may not happen.
Reply:They have survived warmer periods. They'll survive this one. You say their population is stable but the sea ice has been shrinking all this time?
Are you sure it's not speculation that disappearing ice will hurt them? They can still hunt from the coasts, and besides, the sea ice is making a comeback.
Dana says...
"I suggest watching the Planet Earth series (available on DVD). They had one segment on polar bears, and actually showed one struggling to hunt on thin ice. Another (or possibly the same one) became desperate and was forced to try and attack sea lions, failed, and ended up dying."
That is so ridiculous. A stable population means animals are dying and new ones are being born. That's called nature. Nature is not kind in its treatment of animals. Only the fittest survive--thus improving the health of the population. When a polar bear dies naturally it is usually because of starvation. It's been this way for all time. This leaves room for healthier bears to replace it. If those bears DID die it wasn't because of thin ice. There is ALWAYS thin ice. They died because they were weak. This happens in stable populations. That's why they're stable.
As usual, you blame EVERYTHING bad on global warming (even when it hasn't happened). You've got that religion and you've got it bad.
Jim, you're right about the city-boy peg.
Reply:You do not put on species that might hypothetically be endangered. You put on species that are endangered.
Reply:The truth is some of us would like to gain what ever leverage we can to say enough is enough. The last undisturbed places are down to less than 5% of what has already been claimed by humans for developement and profit.
Let the Polar Bears become a symbol of the out come of this issue one way or the other.
I would choose to stand for the benefit of the Polar Bears based on the precautionary princle...
Reply:The polar bear has existed for thousands of years. It survived glaciers and warmer temps than now.
And, in case you want to know, they have nothing to worry about. The sea ice has come back with a roar.
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
Yes I know this "is a blog". The typical arguement of the AGW fanatics. They happen to do a nice job of summary and provide NASA graphs.
Reply:I think we should put polarbears ont the Endangered Species List because they need some help living with these ice killers. It is wrong if we don't! We have to make a stand for the polarbears!!!!
Reply:"The US Geological Survey predicts that it will fall by two-thirds by 2050 if the Arctic ice where the animals live continues to shrink"
Absolutely not, in 2050 Arctic Ice will be well past record levels of accumulation, and the last thing human beings will be worried about is polar bears. The US Geological Survey should be preparing the country for a long term global cooling episode, instead of adding to the prophesies of a handful of poorly written computer simulations.
Reply:That would depend upon the standard for determining whether a species is "endangered." Is the standard based upon the size of the population or based upon recent changes in the size of the population?
For example, the polar bear population has increased five-fold since the 1960s, but is still between 25,000 and 30,000.
As for the predictions about what will happen in the next fifty years, think that is all conjecture - especially considering that the prediction you cite is the opposite of what has happened over the last fifty years, during half of which we've already experienced the phenomenon that you say will cause the trend to reverse.
Reply:I think all life on earth should be on the endangered species list. All of life in endangered in one form or another.
shark teeth
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