One can only wonder what would have happened if young Daniel McGinnis had chosen to go exploring somewhere else on that fateful day in the summer of 1795. If he had, perhaps nobody else would have walked the woods on the eastern end of Oak Island for the next ten years. In that time, the clearing McGinnis found might have been reclaimed completely by the woods. In a forest, the thirteen foot-wide depression in the ground might never have been noticed. Thick, leafy branches might have obscured the old tackle block hanging from a branch directly over the pit. Without these markers, there would have been nothing to indicate that this was the work of man. And there might have never been the two-hundred year long treasure hunt that cost several fortunes and many lives.
But McGinnis did see the clearing and the depression and the tackle block. Visions of pirate treasure did fill his head. He did return later with two friends, John Smith, age 19, and Anthony Vaughan, age 16. And together, with picks and shovels, they did start perhaps the most famous treasure hunt of modern times.
Undoubtedly, the three must have thought they were on the verge of discovering the treasure of Captain William Kidd. Stories that the captain had buried a treasure hoard on an island "east of Boston" had been circulating since the 1600's. Legend had it that a dying sailor in the New England Colonies confessed to being a part of Kidd's notorious crew, but he never named an exact location for the hidden booty.
The island McGinnis, Smith and Vaughan were on was one of 300 small isles in the Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia, Canada. It was peanut-shaped and about three-quarters of a mile long and 1,000 feet wide.
Cutting away the smaller trees, the three young men started digging in the depression. After two feet they hit a floor of carefully laid flagstones. This type of slate was not found on the island and the group figured it had been brought there from about two miles north. Below the stones they saw that they were digging down a shaft that had been refilled. The walls of the shaft were scored with the marks of pick axes, more evidence that this structure was the work of men.
At the ten foot level they hit wood. At first the group figured they'd hit a treasure chest, but quickly realized that they had found a platform of oaken logs sunk into the sides of the shaft. Pulling up the logs they discovered a two-foot depression and more of the shaft. Continuing to dig, they finally reached a depth of twenty-five feet. At that depth they decided they could not continue without more help and better planning. Covering the pit over, they left. One thing the three were sure of, though, was that something must be at the bottom of the pit. They concluded that nobody would have gone to the trouble of digging a shaft deeper than 25 feet unless he had something very valuable to hide.
Nineteenth Century Excavations
Not much more was done with the pit until around 1802. While stories differ, it seems likely that the three spent the previous years searching for a financial backer to provide assistance for a more sophisticated dig. Simeon Lynds visited the money pit that year, was impressed by the story, and formed a company to support the excavation.
The work was started in the summer of 1803. After cleaning out the old pit, the crew started digging downward. Stories have it that they struck another oak platform at 30 feet below the surface. As they continued to dig they found something every ten feet: charcoal, putty, stones or more log platforms. Finally, at the 80 or 90 foot level, depending on which historical account you read, a flat stone, three feet long and one foot wide, with strange letters and figures cut into it, was found. At 93 feet deep, the floor of the pit began to turn into soft mud. Before the end of that day the crew probed the bottom of the shaft with a crowbar hoping to find something. They hit a barrier as wide and as long as the shaft. The group speculated that they'd finally reached the treasure vault and went to bed with the expectations that tomorrow a fortune would be theirs.
Returning the next day, the crew was shocked to find that overnight the pit had filled with 60 feet of water. Bailing was useless. As soon as water was removed from the pit, more flowed in to take its place. An attempt was made to dig another shaft nearby and get at the treasure by running a tunnel underneath the pit, but the new shaft flooded as soon as the tunnel got close to its objective.
Another attempt to find the treasure wasn't made until 1849. A new corporation was formed to finance the dig. This group wasn't much more successful, running into the same flooding problems that occurred back in 1802. They did manage to use a drill to probe what was below the money pit floor. A platform was constructed in the shaft just above the water level and the drill operated from there. The drill seemed to bore through levels of oak, spruce and clay. One sample recovered what appeared to be several links of chain made of gold.
While the drilling was going on, someone noticed that the water in the pit was salty and rose and fell with the tide. This led to speculation that the builders of the pit had conceived a clever trap designed to flood the pit with water if someone got to close too the treasure.
The existence of the flood trap was confirmed by the discovery that the beach of Smith's Cove, located some 500 feet away from the money pit, was artificial. Examination showed that the original clay of the cove had been dug away and in its place laid round beach stones, covered by four or five inches of dead eel grass, which was covered by coconut fiber two inches thick and finally the sand of the beach. At the bottom of all this were five box drains that apparently merged somewhere well back from the coast into a single tunnel that ran the distance to the money pit. The system was apparently designed so that the filtering action of the coconut fiber and the eel grass would ensure the drains would never be clogged by sand or gravel from the beach. It worked well.
Attempts were made to put the flood trap out of business by building a cofferdam around the cove to by holding the tides back. Later, pits were dug to intersect and plug the tunnel on its route to the money pit. These failed, and this try at reaching the treasure was given up in 1851 when the money ran out.
The next attempt in 1861 cost the first human life. The searchers tried to pump out the money pit using the steam engine-powered pumps. A boiler burst and one worker was scalded to death while others were injured. Further fatalities were barely avoided when the money pit's bottom, weakened by attempts to get at the treasure by digging up underneath from other shafts, collapsed. If there were any treasure chests they were probably carried much deeper by this crash. This dig did succeed in discovering where the flood tunnel entered the money pit, but there was still no way to turn off the water. By 1864 these searchers were also out of money.
In 1866, 1893, 1909, 1931 and 1936 additional excavations were started. Extreme methods were used including setting dynamite charges to destroy the flood tunnel, building a dam to keep the water out of Smith's Cove, and bringing in a crane with an excavation bucket. None of these approaches recovered a single coin while costing the backers a small fortune and one worker his life. One of these efforts did manage to block off the flood tunnel from Smith's Cove, only to discover more water was pouring in from the opposite direction via a natural or man-made route from the south shore. Drilling also indicated that there might be some kind of cement vault at the 153-foot level. By this time the south end of the island was full of old shafts, though, and it was increasingly hard to tell were the original money pit was located. Searchers often ran out of money just trying to figure out where the old shaft had been.
Modern Excavations
In 1959 Robert Restall, a former daredevil motorcyclist, took up the challenge with the help of his 18-year-old son. By then the Smith Cove's flood tunnel had become unblocked and Restall made it his first order of business to seal it off. He had sunk a shaft to the depth of 27 feet near Smith's Cove when tragedy struck. His son found him laying at the bottom of the pit in muddy water. Climbing down to help his father, the boy suddenly fell off the ladder and lay next to him. Kal Graseser, Restall's partner, and workers Cyril Hiltz and Andy DeMont climbed down to assist, but also collapsed before reaching the bottom. Edward White, a visiting fireman from Buffalo, New York, immediately suspected carbon monoxide poisoning from the exhaust of a nearby gasoline pump and descended the pit with a rope tied around his waist. He was able to rescue DeMont, but the others died. In one day Oak Island mystery claimed four more lives.
In 1965 Robert Dunfield tried to apply modern open pit mining methods to the treasure hunt. Using a 70-ton digging crane he dug a hole at the original pit site 140 feet deep and 100 feet in diameter. The dirt was carefully sifted for any treasure, but only a few pieces of porcelain dishware were found. Heavy rains dragged the work out for months and Dunfield ran out of money. The pit, and its mystery designer, had won again.
The Money Pit today. (Courtesy of Bill Milstead)
In 1970 the Triton Alliance was formed to continue looking for the treasure. Legal battles between owners of different portions of the island resulted in slow progress. A number of holes were drilled in an attempt to locate the treasure and better understand the geological nature of the island, but no gold was recovered. Little work has been done in the area of the money pit itself as the soil is unstable. Often caverns, thought to be natural, have been found beneath the island. A video camera lowered down one borehole into one of these spaces recorded an image that looked like chests and a human hand severed at the wrist. The quality of the images was so poor, though, that positive identification was impossible.
Triton brought the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in to survey the island in 1995 and render an opinion on whether there is something valuable at the bottom of the pit. While their report is confidential, people who have seen it say that its conclusions are "not discouraging." Currently little work is being done on the island while disputes between the owners of Triton are being settled.
In addition to the money pit the rest of the island seems to be loaded with old stone markers of various types. The most peculiar of these are 6 boulders that seem to be laid out in the shape of a cross that is almost 900 feet long. Some wild speculation based on the cross suggest that Oak Island might be home to the long missing Holy Grail, but there is no real solid evidence to support this idea.
Possible Culprits
So, who built the money pit? And did they really put some kind of treasure down there? Was it Captain Kidd? Despite the legends it seem unlikely that Captain William Kidd ever had the chance to bury a treasure on Oak Island. He spent little time near Nova Scotia and certainly not enough to construct the money pit. Kidd did bury a cache of booty on Gardener's Island near the eastern end of Long Island Sound, but it was quickly seized by the Governor of New York.
Blackbeard, who possessed perhaps the most notorious reputation of all pirates, has sometimes been mentioned in conjunction with Oak Island, but only because he once boasted he had an underground cache for his treasure, "where none but Satan and myself can find it." Certainly many of the Oak Island treasure hunters would agree that this sounds like the money pit, but the truth is there isn't any evidence that Blackbeard conducted any operations north of Delaware.
In fact, it seems very unlikely that any pirate could be responsible for such a complex labyrinth as the pit. Pirates buried treasure because it offered a quick way to hide and recover their goods. A digging operation that must have taken several months just doesn't seem their style.
George Bates, a land surveyor in Nova Scotia, suggested that pirates had indeed built structures on Oak Island, but not for the purpose of hiding treasure. Bate's idea was that there was enough pirate activity between 1650 and 1750 off the coast of Nova Scotia to warrant several pirate groups getting together and building a dry dock to maintain their ships. To do this they sailed their vessels into Smith's Cove and built a cofferdam to seal the tiny bay off from the ocean. The flood tunnel was used to then drain the cove and leave the ship high and dry. The water flooded down the tunnel into a large natural cave underneath the island. A windmill located on top of the money pit extracted the water so the cove could again be drained for the next ship.
The weakness of Bates argument is that located on the other side of Nova Scotia, only a hundred miles away, is the Bay of Fundy. The tides in the bay drop at least 30 feet each day making it a huge natural dry dock. Why would the pirates duplicate what nature already provided?
Speaking of nature, is it possible that the money pit is a natural phenomena, not a cleverly designed vault? Certainly there are natural caves under Oak Island and the depression found by McGinnis could have been a sink hole. Unless all early accounts are completely incorrect the descriptions of the platforms carefully placed at 10-foot intervals seem to ensure that at least part of the structure is man-made.
Some theories suggest that the structures built on Oak Island may have been hundreds, perhaps even thousand of years old when they were discovered in 1795. They may have been built by Vikings visiting the New World, or by the native Micmac people who lived in the region before the Europeans appeared. Perhaps they were built by an advanced civilization that we know nothing about. Indeed the flood tunnel trap built into the pit in some ways reminds one of the false doors and granite plugs found in Egyptian tombs to prevent grave robbing.
If any of the above theories were true why did McGinnis discover the pit in the heart of a clearing? The trees around the money pit must have been cut when it was constructed. Given the rate oak trees grow, that meant someone had built the pit not more than fifty years before McGinnis stumbled across it.
Who would have hidden a treasure between 1745 and 1795? William Crooker, author of several books on the Oak Island mystery, suggests that the pit was built as a part of plot by King George III of England and several of his close advisors. On August 12, 1762, British forces captured the city of Havana, Cuba, from the Spanish. Havana was a rich, important city where much of the gold from the New World was shipped back to Spain. Two shiploads of the captured booty, Crooker suggests, was taken by the Earl of Albemarle to Oak Island. Previously the conspirators had arranged for military engineers to come to the island and build what they thought was a secret ammo dump complete with flood tunnels. Albemarle arrived with the treasure in sealed boxes. The treasure was placed in the pit, the pit was closed, and the engineers departed still thinking they had built an ammo dump.
Albemarle returned to England with the idea of retrieving the treasure later. Something, perhaps the madness that afflicted King George toward the end of his life, prevented getting the booty and it was forgotten about.
Crooker's theory raises another possibility, though. Suppose there is no treasure at all and the pit is simply an old ammo dump? We will only find out for sure when someone comes along who is clever enough, and rich enough, to beat the designer of the money pit and make a thorough investigation of what lies at the bottom.
The money pit?
Pooo, ignore the complainers. It was an interesting read at any rate, and entertaining enough to make me forget there was no real question. Thanks for the rare glimpse of history!
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Have you ever wondered why halliurton/parsons/bechtel/kel... won projects in Iraq, bosnia and vietnam?
Halliburton/Kellog were awarded jobs in both iraq wars, bosnia (clinton) vietnam without bidding. I would not have worked on the projects along with the rest of the civilians if halliburton would not have been "GIVEN" them. REAL multi-phase projects require surface, route , feasibility, geological, envrionmental SURVEYS that take 2 to 5 years. After a war, the project starts NOW. The company handling the project receives data such as troop locations, equipment depots, mine field locations, locations for training, air strips, etc. You can NOT turn that data over to a company like Technip. Regarding profiteering ? probably. Same thing happend in Bosnia - Clinton era....and do not forget the 7 billion dollar deal Clinton made between the saudis and boeing but I never hear anything about that...then you have LBJ who owned 55 percent of colt fire arms...they built parts for small arms used in Vietnam...
Have you ever wondered why halliurton/parsons/bechtel/kel... won projects in Iraq, bosnia and vietnam?
Not trying to be cavalier but I will answer your question this way. "Such as it has been, it shall always be". Is it right? No. But that seems to be the new golden rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules. Answer to this? Class warfare? I don't think so. Don't have a solution. :(
Reply:they are all bush croonies
Reply:It seems that corporations, like individuals have security clearance. If all war time contracts had to go through the bidding process, there would be even more failure and wasted time and money. Look at government highway work!
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All our %26lt;western Montana%26gt; new section of interstate are like washboard within a year.
Reply:I felt it was part of the industrial/military complex, they built it, the army blows it up, they rebuilt it
Have you ever wondered why halliurton/parsons/bechtel/kel... won projects in Iraq, bosnia and vietnam?
Not trying to be cavalier but I will answer your question this way. "Such as it has been, it shall always be". Is it right? No. But that seems to be the new golden rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules. Answer to this? Class warfare? I don't think so. Don't have a solution. :(
Reply:they are all bush croonies
Reply:It seems that corporations, like individuals have security clearance. If all war time contracts had to go through the bidding process, there would be even more failure and wasted time and money. Look at government highway work!
Pork, pork %26amp; more pork%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;
All our %26lt;western Montana%26gt; new section of interstate are like washboard within a year.
Reply:I felt it was part of the industrial/military complex, they built it, the army blows it up, they rebuilt it
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. An agent that causes a disease is called a(n)
A cholera. B copepod.
C epidemic. D pathogen.
2. Filtering contaminated water through a sari is
A an ineffective way to reduce cases of cholera.
B the best way to prevent the spread of cholera.
C a low-tech solution to reducing cases of cholera.
D another factor that causes cholera to spread rapidly.
3. All of the following should be researched in studying the epidemiology of waterborne diseases except the
A genomes of the pathogens.
B habitat of pathogens.
C food chain of the pathogens.
D environmental factors that affect pathogens.
4. All the genetic material contained in an individual or a species is called its
A epidemiology. B genome.
C DNA fingerprint. D genetic code.
5. One of the most important tools in preventing the spread of disease is
A computer modeling. B DNA fingerprinting.
C genetic engineering. D giving vaccinations.
6. computer modeling : epidemiology ::
A genetics : DNA fingerprinting
B cloning : biotechnology
C genome : vaccination
D human health : disease prevention
7. Which of the following terms is used to refer to a piece of equipment made for a specific use?
A process B cure
C device D treatment
8. Which of the following is least likely to help humans live longer?
A epidemiology B medicine
C genetics D DNA fingerprinting
9. knowledge of biology : human potential ::
A assistive technologies : everyday lives
B human potential : epidemiology
C populations : disease outbreaks
D genomes : genetics
10. The technology of changing the genetic material of a living cell is called
A biometrics. B genetic engineering.
C genetics. D DNA fingerprinting.
11. Planting Bt corn helps farmers decrease the use of
A fertilizers. B herbicides.
C pesticides. D cultivators.
12. All of the following are known advantages of planting Bt corn except it
A adds some bacterial genes to food supplies.
B lowers a farmer’s cost of production.
C improves a farmer’s crop yield.
D reduces chemical contaminants in the environment.
13. The application of a biological structure or process to solve design problems is called
A adaptation. B biomimetics.
C cloning. D decoding.
14. Which of these biotechnologies has the potential to repair tissues inside the body?
A biometrics B biomimetics
C epidemiology D nanotechnology
15. clam shell formation : ceramics ::
A CAT scanning : modeling fossils
B strong fabrics : spider silk
C spider silk : strong fabrics
D modeling fossils : CAT scanning
16. The analysis of biological traits to identify people is called
A arithmetics. B biometrics.
C genetics. D statistics.
17. Which of the following traits of an individual would be most useful for identifying a victim in a forensic investigation?
A eye color B hair color
C blood type D DNA fingerprint
18. Which of the following qualities do fingerprints and DNA fingerprints have in common?
A ease of use in an investigation
B part of an extensive FBI database
C refer to traits of the human hand
D unique to an individual
19. The ethical concerns about biotechnology must be addressed by
A scientists only. B societies only.
C both individuals and scientists. D both individuals and societies.
20. All of the following biotechnologies are considered by some to be unethical except
A biomimetic products. B biometrics data bases.
C human stem cell research. D genetically modified foods.
21. Which of the following would be an unethical use of biometric data and methods?
A linking criminals to crime scenes
B eliminating innocent people from a list of criminal suspects
C excluding people with certain genes from getting jobs
D protecting citizens from bioterrorism
22. Which of the following is considered to be one of the most important applications of biology?
A biometrics B genetic engineering
C environmental science D assistive technologies
23. In order to make wise decisions about the use of natural resources, citizens will need to have a better understanding of
A biomimetics. B genetics.
C environmental science. D genetic engineering.
24. ecology : environmental science ::
A biomolecules : strong glues B genetics : genetic engineering
C forensics : biometrics D spider silk : clam shells
25. What do the initials GIS stand for?
A geological inference standard B genetic improvement survey
C geographic information system D global investigation society
26. Satellite tagging is a technology that is most likely to be used in
A assisting the disabled. B conservation of wildlife.
C developing maps of the world. D tracking the spread of disease.
27. Each of the following is a part of a GIS program except
A access to data from different sources.
B computer mapping.
C environmental databases.
D genetic analysis tools.
Plz help with these medical questions? need it asap practice questions 4 exams please help?
How about studying and finding the answers on your own? You won't make a very decent doctor, nurse, med tech, etc., if you can't pass your exams without the aid of the Yahoo community......
A cholera. B copepod.
C epidemic. D pathogen.
2. Filtering contaminated water through a sari is
A an ineffective way to reduce cases of cholera.
B the best way to prevent the spread of cholera.
C a low-tech solution to reducing cases of cholera.
D another factor that causes cholera to spread rapidly.
3. All of the following should be researched in studying the epidemiology of waterborne diseases except the
A genomes of the pathogens.
B habitat of pathogens.
C food chain of the pathogens.
D environmental factors that affect pathogens.
4. All the genetic material contained in an individual or a species is called its
A epidemiology. B genome.
C DNA fingerprint. D genetic code.
5. One of the most important tools in preventing the spread of disease is
A computer modeling. B DNA fingerprinting.
C genetic engineering. D giving vaccinations.
6. computer modeling : epidemiology ::
A genetics : DNA fingerprinting
B cloning : biotechnology
C genome : vaccination
D human health : disease prevention
7. Which of the following terms is used to refer to a piece of equipment made for a specific use?
A process B cure
C device D treatment
8. Which of the following is least likely to help humans live longer?
A epidemiology B medicine
C genetics D DNA fingerprinting
9. knowledge of biology : human potential ::
A assistive technologies : everyday lives
B human potential : epidemiology
C populations : disease outbreaks
D genomes : genetics
10. The technology of changing the genetic material of a living cell is called
A biometrics. B genetic engineering.
C genetics. D DNA fingerprinting.
11. Planting Bt corn helps farmers decrease the use of
A fertilizers. B herbicides.
C pesticides. D cultivators.
12. All of the following are known advantages of planting Bt corn except it
A adds some bacterial genes to food supplies.
B lowers a farmer’s cost of production.
C improves a farmer’s crop yield.
D reduces chemical contaminants in the environment.
13. The application of a biological structure or process to solve design problems is called
A adaptation. B biomimetics.
C cloning. D decoding.
14. Which of these biotechnologies has the potential to repair tissues inside the body?
A biometrics B biomimetics
C epidemiology D nanotechnology
15. clam shell formation : ceramics ::
A CAT scanning : modeling fossils
B strong fabrics : spider silk
C spider silk : strong fabrics
D modeling fossils : CAT scanning
16. The analysis of biological traits to identify people is called
A arithmetics. B biometrics.
C genetics. D statistics.
17. Which of the following traits of an individual would be most useful for identifying a victim in a forensic investigation?
A eye color B hair color
C blood type D DNA fingerprint
18. Which of the following qualities do fingerprints and DNA fingerprints have in common?
A ease of use in an investigation
B part of an extensive FBI database
C refer to traits of the human hand
D unique to an individual
19. The ethical concerns about biotechnology must be addressed by
A scientists only. B societies only.
C both individuals and scientists. D both individuals and societies.
20. All of the following biotechnologies are considered by some to be unethical except
A biomimetic products. B biometrics data bases.
C human stem cell research. D genetically modified foods.
21. Which of the following would be an unethical use of biometric data and methods?
A linking criminals to crime scenes
B eliminating innocent people from a list of criminal suspects
C excluding people with certain genes from getting jobs
D protecting citizens from bioterrorism
22. Which of the following is considered to be one of the most important applications of biology?
A biometrics B genetic engineering
C environmental science D assistive technologies
23. In order to make wise decisions about the use of natural resources, citizens will need to have a better understanding of
A biomimetics. B genetics.
C environmental science. D genetic engineering.
24. ecology : environmental science ::
A biomolecules : strong glues B genetics : genetic engineering
C forensics : biometrics D spider silk : clam shells
25. What do the initials GIS stand for?
A geological inference standard B genetic improvement survey
C geographic information system D global investigation society
26. Satellite tagging is a technology that is most likely to be used in
A assisting the disabled. B conservation of wildlife.
C developing maps of the world. D tracking the spread of disease.
27. Each of the following is a part of a GIS program except
A access to data from different sources.
B computer mapping.
C environmental databases.
D genetic analysis tools.
Plz help with these medical questions? need it asap practice questions 4 exams please help?
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Where is heaven and hell?
Can someone please explain to me exactly where heaven and hell is? No geological surveys have turned up any proof of hell below us. NASA has traveled extreme distances in space and still no proof of heaven. Where are these places? another dimension?
Where is heaven and hell?
Both are in the imaginations of deluded morons.
Reply:Heaven and hell are mythological places which exist only as ideas in the mind. They have no actual physical locations. They aren't anywhere.
Reply:in your imagination
Reply:heaven and hell are a state of being
heaven is being wiht God forever
and hell is being away from God forever
Reply:you Can't see it. The only way your going to know is when it's your time. For now you have to belive.
Reply:I don't know about heaven.
But hell is a packed shop on a hot summers day with not AC
Reply:Cleveland.
Reply:You are 16, but you don't know how long you are to live!
Reply:I believe heaven and hell are state of minds.
I think that heaven is our paradise, that we find while we are still alive on this earth. It's a moment in time, and how we feel for that moment. If that moment is found than it lasts forever.
With Hell, if we believe we're hell-bound, then we create our own hell, and take ourselves there. It's basically like painting a picture and hopping inside it.
Haha, it's hard to explain, but at least I know what I'm talking about.
Reply:well they wouldnt exist in our universe like a spiritual one. i dont know hopefully i'll have to wait a long time to find out?
Reply:Haha, it seems as though nobody takes these questions seriously. I think that another dimension. . another place we can't even fathom or relate to anything else in this world. I don't think humans can comprehend the feeling of eternity or even what is in store for us.
Sometimes, when you look at the sky, you get this feeling of wondering. . like, what REALLY is going to happen to me?
Reply:dont worry about that. just worry about which one u'll end up in.
Reply:in the minds of believers, and in that great work of fiction known as the bible.
Reply:Heaven is where the throne of God is right now. Hell is separation from God. Those that do not believe or follow God are in Hell now but do not realize it as they have been sent delusions
Reply:heaven is up in the clouds and hell id underground with the devil.
Reply:"Heaven and hell are states of mind. We experience heaven when we are in harmony with the Life that surrounds us.
Hell is a state of mind that we experience when we don't understand why something unpleasant is happening to us. We can choose to create our own heaven or hell on Earth, and take our beliefs with us when we go through the transition the world calls death to the next plane of existence."
http://www.religiousscience.org/ucrs_sit...
Reply:In the hearts and minds of mankind
Reply:Hell is my kitchen at the moment. 3 kids playing with paint and water.
You are very funny. It's what you want to believe. How can anyone really know? Think about it. Everyone and I mean from the local priest to the local women's meeting have their own opinion. That's good, you need to develop your own. Good luck.
Reply:It's a nightclub just off the promenade in Blackpool. I wouldn't recommend it though, unless you like teenage girls.
Reply:Heaven is starbucks :)
Hell is Michigan
Reply:Eze 37:19 Then say to them, This is what the Lord has said: See, I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel who are in his company; and I will put it on the stick of Judah and make them one stick, and they will be one in my hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks with your writing on them will be in your hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say to them, These are the words of the Lord: See, I am taking the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and will get them together on every side, and take them into their land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king over them all: and they will no longer be two nations, and will no longer be parted into two kingdoms:
Eze 37:23 And they will no longer make themselves unclean with their images or with their hated things or with any of their sins: but I will give them salvation from all their turning away in which they have done evil, and will make them clean; and they will be to me a people, and I will be to them a God.
Eze 37:24 And my servant David will be king over them; and they will all have one keeper: and they will be guided by my orders and will keep my rules and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they will be living in the land which I gave to Jacob, my servant, in which your fathers were living; and they will go on living there, they and their children and their children's children, for ever: and David, my servant, will be their ruler for ever.
Eze 37:26 And I will make an agreement of peace with them: it will be an eternal agreement with them: and I will have mercy on them and make their numbers great, and will put my holy place among them for ever.
Eze 37:27 And my House will be over them; and I will be to them a God, and they will be to me a people.
Eze 37:28 And the nations will be certain that I who make Israel holy am the Lord, when my holy place is among them for ever.
Reply:In the imagiation of the religious zealots.
Reply:Hell, it's a town in Michigan
Reply:heaven is in the spearmint rhino
hell is in my local pub
:)
Reply:You can't plot Spiritual places.
Reply:The US state of Maine is heaven and Alabama is hell,
Reply:try to read DIVINA COMEDIA
Reply:No one knows for sure of course, and I have asked myself that same question. I believe the answer is : absolutely heaven is in another dimension. It is a spiritual dimension. Many places in the Bible, people have documented their encounters with God saying that they were "taken IN THE SPIRIT before the throne of God" and document what they saw there. It is important to note that 95% of the Bible prophecy has come true exactly as predicted, therefore these accounts can be taken seriously because they were written down by the same people who predicted world events (by the power of God) many hundreds of years in advance. The remaining 5% of prophecy is YET to be fulfilled. But that doesn't answer your question...The most important thing of course is Faith. Faith as some people might think is not "blind" but is based on a VERY REAL, UNDENIABLE encounter with God. The best part is, if you want to know for sure if God exists, all you have to do is ask. "God if you are real please show yourself to me in a way that I cannot deny that it is you". And He will, guaranteed. As a side note, check out the website ChristianAnswers.net I think you will find good answers to this and many other great questions.
Take care.
Reply:Hotel California.
Reply:The bible says that hell is indeed below us. There are 3 heavens. The first heaven is where the birds fly, the second is the cosmos and the third heaven is outside of creation where God dwells. Some have suggested that there may be 3 levels of hell as well.
Reply:Right here, right now
Where is heaven and hell?
Both are in the imaginations of deluded morons.
Reply:Heaven and hell are mythological places which exist only as ideas in the mind. They have no actual physical locations. They aren't anywhere.
Reply:in your imagination
Reply:heaven and hell are a state of being
heaven is being wiht God forever
and hell is being away from God forever
Reply:you Can't see it. The only way your going to know is when it's your time. For now you have to belive.
Reply:I don't know about heaven.
But hell is a packed shop on a hot summers day with not AC
Reply:Cleveland.
Reply:You are 16, but you don't know how long you are to live!
Reply:I believe heaven and hell are state of minds.
I think that heaven is our paradise, that we find while we are still alive on this earth. It's a moment in time, and how we feel for that moment. If that moment is found than it lasts forever.
With Hell, if we believe we're hell-bound, then we create our own hell, and take ourselves there. It's basically like painting a picture and hopping inside it.
Haha, it's hard to explain, but at least I know what I'm talking about.
Reply:well they wouldnt exist in our universe like a spiritual one. i dont know hopefully i'll have to wait a long time to find out?
Reply:Haha, it seems as though nobody takes these questions seriously. I think that another dimension. . another place we can't even fathom or relate to anything else in this world. I don't think humans can comprehend the feeling of eternity or even what is in store for us.
Sometimes, when you look at the sky, you get this feeling of wondering. . like, what REALLY is going to happen to me?
Reply:dont worry about that. just worry about which one u'll end up in.
Reply:in the minds of believers, and in that great work of fiction known as the bible.
Reply:Heaven is where the throne of God is right now. Hell is separation from God. Those that do not believe or follow God are in Hell now but do not realize it as they have been sent delusions
Reply:heaven is up in the clouds and hell id underground with the devil.
Reply:"Heaven and hell are states of mind. We experience heaven when we are in harmony with the Life that surrounds us.
Hell is a state of mind that we experience when we don't understand why something unpleasant is happening to us. We can choose to create our own heaven or hell on Earth, and take our beliefs with us when we go through the transition the world calls death to the next plane of existence."
http://www.religiousscience.org/ucrs_sit...
Reply:In the hearts and minds of mankind
Reply:Hell is my kitchen at the moment. 3 kids playing with paint and water.
You are very funny. It's what you want to believe. How can anyone really know? Think about it. Everyone and I mean from the local priest to the local women's meeting have their own opinion. That's good, you need to develop your own. Good luck.
Reply:It's a nightclub just off the promenade in Blackpool. I wouldn't recommend it though, unless you like teenage girls.
Reply:Heaven is starbucks :)
Hell is Michigan
Reply:Eze 37:19 Then say to them, This is what the Lord has said: See, I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel who are in his company; and I will put it on the stick of Judah and make them one stick, and they will be one in my hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks with your writing on them will be in your hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say to them, These are the words of the Lord: See, I am taking the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and will get them together on every side, and take them into their land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king over them all: and they will no longer be two nations, and will no longer be parted into two kingdoms:
Eze 37:23 And they will no longer make themselves unclean with their images or with their hated things or with any of their sins: but I will give them salvation from all their turning away in which they have done evil, and will make them clean; and they will be to me a people, and I will be to them a God.
Eze 37:24 And my servant David will be king over them; and they will all have one keeper: and they will be guided by my orders and will keep my rules and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they will be living in the land which I gave to Jacob, my servant, in which your fathers were living; and they will go on living there, they and their children and their children's children, for ever: and David, my servant, will be their ruler for ever.
Eze 37:26 And I will make an agreement of peace with them: it will be an eternal agreement with them: and I will have mercy on them and make their numbers great, and will put my holy place among them for ever.
Eze 37:27 And my House will be over them; and I will be to them a God, and they will be to me a people.
Eze 37:28 And the nations will be certain that I who make Israel holy am the Lord, when my holy place is among them for ever.
Reply:In the imagiation of the religious zealots.
Reply:Hell, it's a town in Michigan
Reply:heaven is in the spearmint rhino
hell is in my local pub
:)
Reply:You can't plot Spiritual places.
Reply:The US state of Maine is heaven and Alabama is hell,
Reply:try to read DIVINA COMEDIA
Reply:No one knows for sure of course, and I have asked myself that same question. I believe the answer is : absolutely heaven is in another dimension. It is a spiritual dimension. Many places in the Bible, people have documented their encounters with God saying that they were "taken IN THE SPIRIT before the throne of God" and document what they saw there. It is important to note that 95% of the Bible prophecy has come true exactly as predicted, therefore these accounts can be taken seriously because they were written down by the same people who predicted world events (by the power of God) many hundreds of years in advance. The remaining 5% of prophecy is YET to be fulfilled. But that doesn't answer your question...The most important thing of course is Faith. Faith as some people might think is not "blind" but is based on a VERY REAL, UNDENIABLE encounter with God. The best part is, if you want to know for sure if God exists, all you have to do is ask. "God if you are real please show yourself to me in a way that I cannot deny that it is you". And He will, guaranteed. As a side note, check out the website ChristianAnswers.net I think you will find good answers to this and many other great questions.
Take care.
Reply:Hotel California.
Reply:The bible says that hell is indeed below us. There are 3 heavens. The first heaven is where the birds fly, the second is the cosmos and the third heaven is outside of creation where God dwells. Some have suggested that there may be 3 levels of hell as well.
Reply:Right here, right now
Do You Think This Is Another Compelling Reason for Universal Health Care?
AMA issues first report card on health insurers
"Physicians are spending 14 percent of their total revenue to simply obtain what they've earned,"
".........annual $210 billion in wasted administrative claims processing costs,........."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080616/ap_o...
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Which of course means, that is passed on to you, the consumer.
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Please, no partisan bickering, for every example thrown out, the opposite can be found.
I want to hear reasons why universal health care will work or not.
keep in mind, departments of our government that are not politicized seem to work pretty well.
Postal service (largest volume in the world)
National Geological Survey (our oil industry uses them, plus they make some of the best maps in the world)
FEMA before it was politicized and outsourced. (is there a need to go into how they have failed us?)
Weather service (very dependable, very good, while not always being right, but close enough)
Peace
Jim
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Do You Think This Is Another Compelling Reason for Universal Health Care?
I watched the movie SICKO, and while I'm sure this movie is biased, it made me long for universal health care, where you could just walk in to a clinic and get seen and then get your prescriptions filled for nothing or next to nothing.
The powers that be in this country would never allow true universal health care to happen. First, we would have to do away with the insurance companies that employ millions of Americans. Their lobbyists are keeping that from happening. And then you have the AMA, probably one of the strongest lobbying groups in the country. They are dead set against universal health care. They don't want to become government employees. Sadly in today's world, doctors are next to God in this country.
I'm currently trying to decide which Medicare Pt.D program to go with as I approach my 65th birthday. I'm an RN, and it's very confusing to me. I wonder how other people my age even begin to pick a plan. You have over 40 different plans, and none of them sound really good. Yet, George Bush is so proud of himself for making prescription drug coverage "available" to seniors.
I think we should scrap the insurance companies. We could find some other place for the people to work who are expert at denying you the tests and treatments you need.
I don't think McCain has a clue. At least Obama is a step in the right direction. He's the one Michael Moore has endorsed.
ofa
Reply:Universal Health Care does not work. Yes, everyone has insurance. Yes, everyone has healthcare. Yes, everyone's taxes go up to pay for it. (fact people, fact, there is no other way to pay for it). But, the quality goes down, there are less specialists because it does not pay to go for the extra schooling, this means less advances in medicine, and you wind up waiting on lists to receive care. Canada now has an actual commission just to address waiting times for health care. Canadians are crossing the border to get healthcare because of wait times and because of quality. Further, it is certainly not the time to spend trillions on this and raise taxes with a floundering economy.
Reply:In a nutshell, it all depends on who runs the programs.
The way that the VA is being run is reason enough for me to be leery of government run health care. But, you are right about programs that are run effectively and within budget.
It will be very difficult to transition, knowing how much money people have invested in becoming doctors. So that would be factored in, making it hard to keep politics out of the equation. Many doctors make up the "who's who" in the US and they have influence.These are just a couple of thoughts.
peace.
Reply:...sounds like a compelling reason for insurance reform...
...the "non-political" organizations you list are all in the business of gathering, processing and distributing...whether it be information or disaster relief assets...
...Do I trust the government to deliver my mail? Yes...
...Do I trust the government to analyze and prioritize my mail....make judgments on which letters are important...which bills should be paid first...and so on....Obviously not...
...The primary reason people scream for government run health care is to relieve the cost and adminstrative burden...it has nothing to do with the primary function....CARE.
...Instead, why not ADDRESS those costs so that health care providers can focus on the care aspect...?
Reply:I've seen the cost of government ran health care and the administrative costs are double the 14% that the insurance companies spend on process claims. On top of that you end up with rotten employees that know they can't be fired and you watch your health care go right into the sewer. Look at any government hospital or the VA and that should ward you off this folly for good.
Reply:Because Medi-care works SO well??? You know... the currently in place government run Health Care that MUST be subsidised by private insurance....
How about we live FREE! And you guys complain about wire taps to known terrorists over seas... yet... no problem allowing government to take over your whole physical/mental well being. Well thought out..... applause!
BTW Jim.... do you think the government will pay those doctors enough to cover their expenses? Not on your life... then what happens? People don;t find it worth going into medicine.... then what happens????
Reply:Another example among those you've cited is the American highway system. It's as marvelous as the Great Wall of China or the Egyptian Pyramids. We all chip in to pay for it at the pump. Painless isn’t it? I rather image national medicine would be much the same.
Reply:It is a scientific face that anybody with five or more brain cells wants Universal Health Care.
The Germans have had it since the late 1800's and it is amazing.
Americans do not travel enough. Because we do not travel our politicians are not yet in jail!
Reply:I know exactly what you mean which makes me wonder whether the failures in all good policies are due to corruption or incompetence or both by our various department officials.
Reply:No, I fail to see how having doctors fill out paper work for government bureaucrats is going to be any more efficient use of their time than filling out paper work for insurance companies.
I don't know what you mean by "politicized" government agency. They are all government agencies and as such are political organisms. The Postal service is a classic example of government waste and inefficiency. I've heard of going "postal" a reference to the craziness of the postal service. You never hear about going UPS or FEDEX.
The fact that FEMA is ineffective and wasteful is just another example of government waste and inefficiency. There is nothing to indicate that a government run health care system would be any different from FEMA or the postal service. Other than we would be relying on it to provide long lines for us to wait in for medical attention.
Reply:If you really want to see inefficiency and waste wait until the government steps in to help. How do you expect adding more government regulation and red tape to help in any way? If we really wanted to see lower medical costs the first thing we need to do is penalize claimants and lawyers that bring frivolous lawsuits. Then go after the insurance companies who drive up prices through their practices.
By the way Emal are you talking about the same highway system that hires 7 people to get one that actually does the work. Imagine how much less it would cost if the highway workers were all responcible the way we are at our jobs.
By the way the 7 and 1 figure I gave refers to the fact that every single time I pass a highway work zone if any work is being done at all only 1 person in 7 actually seems to be working at any given time. But most of the time all I see is idle machines and one guy sitting in the truck looking at the work to be done.
Blue is obviously not telling the whole story since everyone knows that hospitals are required by law to treat any injured person that comes in the door. How do you think our system is being destroyed by illegals getting free care at the hospitals?
Reply:I know so many working people who can't afford to go to the doctor. When I was a full time cashier at Wal -Mart I fell and broke my knee cap in their parking lot several years ago . Don't worry I didn't sue them because I fell getting off work. I tripped -an accident on a hot day and I was tired.
Didn't know that it was broken -went to work the next day and it swelled up -I was in terrible pain -had to go home -they fired me for leaving.
called the doctor -didn't do any good because I did not (and could not afford ) health ins. Still broken to this day and sometimes I get arthritis in it so bad that I CAN'T WALK%26gt; I am a widow and have had a hard time of it since then.
Just one story in a million. Our taxes should go back to people in need. My father paid for a life time -never saw any back in his hand to help -my husband paid in a life time -never saw a dime back either I paid -my mother paid . I know taxes pay for police -firemen (which are in my family as well )military etc. So unless you believe that the common working people are expendable what do you suggest that we the common working people do when we can not afford to go to the doctor (or hospital)? I know this is a Bible quote -But right now our government's feet are made of clay.
Just speaking out for the humane treatment for American citizens.
Reply:I don't have the answers for how to make it work. Other countries have universal health, so I KNOW we can, too. I have good health insurance. However, let me tell you a lesson my dad used to teach me:
Say you work for a unionized company which has pensions as part of the contract. For 30 years you voted on contract agreements but never cared what benefits were given to the retirees. Never fought for retiree benefits. Cared ONLY about what YOU could receive in the here and now. Over the years you've aged, and tired. You cannot keep up the pace with the younger folks and your job is in jeopardy. So you decide you better retire. But you can't because the pension is too little to live on. You petition the union to work toward larger pensions but the majority of the folks at the company are younger.........and they only care about the here and now and what THEY can get.
I see the same situation with my health care coverage. Right now....I have coverage. But what happens if I lose that coverage? What happens if, years from now when I want to retire because I've aged and I'm tired, I cannot because my company does not cover retires and I cannot afford to buy health insurance. I NEED the government to help me. I NEED affordable health insuance subsidized by my government. So I petition "the people" and ask them to write their congress representatives.......but "the people" don't care.....they are more interested in what THEY need.
Sorry for the diatribe. I work in the medical field and I have yet to meet a doctor who supports universal health insurance. And very few of my co-workers support it. But I believe it is due to fear and propaganda. When I explain it the way I see it, some have changed their views. Some have not.
Reply:To answer your question, just look north.
There is a reason that well-off Canadians come to the US for their healthcare. There is a reason that Canadian doctors try to get jobs in the US before they do in Canada.
The US postal service is nearly bankrupt. I agree that they are one of the best run gov't agencies.. but they are still in trouble. Only junk mail keeps them in business. The private sector does it better.
The USGS does a pretty good job, yes, but that is an area where privatization wouldn't allow them to be as thorough as that can be while being funded by tax dollars.
FEMA is absolutely useless, except for their dangerousness.... just look to the hurricane Katrina disaster as the only example you need. FEMA is an agency that scares the crap out of me.. did you know that with an executive order FEMA can declare martial law upon the entire country? Look it up, you'll see.
The weather service is not bad, but private weather services are just as good. That's something that we need, to a point, since it affects all of us every day. Private companies could probably do it better, but there is no profit motive.
For health care, the answer is likely somewhere in the middle. Expanding free clinics for the 'needy' would be a good thing, as most basic care isn't very expensive. Relaxing regulations so that many procedures that now are required to be performed by MD's can be performed by lesser-trained but still highly capable RN's would save more money, and the whole malpractice thing is out of control. But forcing state health care down everyone's throats? Opens up too many cans of worms.
The government does pretty much everything badly %26amp; inefficiently.
Reply:Sounds like the first faltering steps towards socialism. Watch out they don't burn you at the stake.
Reply:No.
It means gov't policy has upset the balance by subsidizing employer health care via tax benefits.
So now, no one pays their own bill, and expects someone else to pay it. That's what's gone wrong.
In the old days, people paid their own bills and prices were reasonable, because they had to be. There weren't 18 bizillion insurance companies to try and collect from, each with a different form. The only insurance people had was for catastrophic illness.
Universal health care will result in only 1 thing. Rationing. When a service is made free to use, demand will skyrocket beyond supply.
And I invite you to look at Veteran's Health Care and public education in this country. Any time the gov't has a monopoly, service sucks. It's only after the rise of Fed Ex and UPS that the Postal Service improved due to competition. the only reason it still survives is that gov't prohibits competition for regular mail.
Want another example. The cable company. Granted monopoly status by your city or county. You watch, if we can ever get a 3rd competitor for Tv and internet, suddenly cable will get a whole lot better and cheaper.
Still another example. Telephone service. Back when AT%26amp;T was a monopoly, you had to buy the phone from them, and service. You paid what they said and that was it. Now 25 years after the breakup, there has been wild improvements in telephone service, including long distance rapidly becoming free to use. Right now I pay 3.9 cents per minute with no monthly fee or minimum usage requirements on a 3rd party long distance company. Many just pay a small monthly fee and get all the long distance you can eat. A far cry from when I was young. I remember calling my grandma long distance and the rate was 35 cents at off peak time for 3 minutes.
Reviews
"Physicians are spending 14 percent of their total revenue to simply obtain what they've earned,"
".........annual $210 billion in wasted administrative claims processing costs,........."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080616/ap_o...
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Which of course means, that is passed on to you, the consumer.
========
Please, no partisan bickering, for every example thrown out, the opposite can be found.
I want to hear reasons why universal health care will work or not.
keep in mind, departments of our government that are not politicized seem to work pretty well.
Postal service (largest volume in the world)
National Geological Survey (our oil industry uses them, plus they make some of the best maps in the world)
FEMA before it was politicized and outsourced. (is there a need to go into how they have failed us?)
Weather service (very dependable, very good, while not always being right, but close enough)
Peace
Jim
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Do You Think This Is Another Compelling Reason for Universal Health Care?
I watched the movie SICKO, and while I'm sure this movie is biased, it made me long for universal health care, where you could just walk in to a clinic and get seen and then get your prescriptions filled for nothing or next to nothing.
The powers that be in this country would never allow true universal health care to happen. First, we would have to do away with the insurance companies that employ millions of Americans. Their lobbyists are keeping that from happening. And then you have the AMA, probably one of the strongest lobbying groups in the country. They are dead set against universal health care. They don't want to become government employees. Sadly in today's world, doctors are next to God in this country.
I'm currently trying to decide which Medicare Pt.D program to go with as I approach my 65th birthday. I'm an RN, and it's very confusing to me. I wonder how other people my age even begin to pick a plan. You have over 40 different plans, and none of them sound really good. Yet, George Bush is so proud of himself for making prescription drug coverage "available" to seniors.
I think we should scrap the insurance companies. We could find some other place for the people to work who are expert at denying you the tests and treatments you need.
I don't think McCain has a clue. At least Obama is a step in the right direction. He's the one Michael Moore has endorsed.
ofa
Reply:Universal Health Care does not work. Yes, everyone has insurance. Yes, everyone has healthcare. Yes, everyone's taxes go up to pay for it. (fact people, fact, there is no other way to pay for it). But, the quality goes down, there are less specialists because it does not pay to go for the extra schooling, this means less advances in medicine, and you wind up waiting on lists to receive care. Canada now has an actual commission just to address waiting times for health care. Canadians are crossing the border to get healthcare because of wait times and because of quality. Further, it is certainly not the time to spend trillions on this and raise taxes with a floundering economy.
Reply:In a nutshell, it all depends on who runs the programs.
The way that the VA is being run is reason enough for me to be leery of government run health care. But, you are right about programs that are run effectively and within budget.
It will be very difficult to transition, knowing how much money people have invested in becoming doctors. So that would be factored in, making it hard to keep politics out of the equation. Many doctors make up the "who's who" in the US and they have influence.These are just a couple of thoughts.
peace.
Reply:...sounds like a compelling reason for insurance reform...
...the "non-political" organizations you list are all in the business of gathering, processing and distributing...whether it be information or disaster relief assets...
...Do I trust the government to deliver my mail? Yes...
...Do I trust the government to analyze and prioritize my mail....make judgments on which letters are important...which bills should be paid first...and so on....Obviously not...
...The primary reason people scream for government run health care is to relieve the cost and adminstrative burden...it has nothing to do with the primary function....CARE.
...Instead, why not ADDRESS those costs so that health care providers can focus on the care aspect...?
Reply:I've seen the cost of government ran health care and the administrative costs are double the 14% that the insurance companies spend on process claims. On top of that you end up with rotten employees that know they can't be fired and you watch your health care go right into the sewer. Look at any government hospital or the VA and that should ward you off this folly for good.
Reply:Because Medi-care works SO well??? You know... the currently in place government run Health Care that MUST be subsidised by private insurance....
How about we live FREE! And you guys complain about wire taps to known terrorists over seas... yet... no problem allowing government to take over your whole physical/mental well being. Well thought out..... applause!
BTW Jim.... do you think the government will pay those doctors enough to cover their expenses? Not on your life... then what happens? People don;t find it worth going into medicine.... then what happens????
Reply:Another example among those you've cited is the American highway system. It's as marvelous as the Great Wall of China or the Egyptian Pyramids. We all chip in to pay for it at the pump. Painless isn’t it? I rather image national medicine would be much the same.
Reply:It is a scientific face that anybody with five or more brain cells wants Universal Health Care.
The Germans have had it since the late 1800's and it is amazing.
Americans do not travel enough. Because we do not travel our politicians are not yet in jail!
Reply:I know exactly what you mean which makes me wonder whether the failures in all good policies are due to corruption or incompetence or both by our various department officials.
Reply:No, I fail to see how having doctors fill out paper work for government bureaucrats is going to be any more efficient use of their time than filling out paper work for insurance companies.
I don't know what you mean by "politicized" government agency. They are all government agencies and as such are political organisms. The Postal service is a classic example of government waste and inefficiency. I've heard of going "postal" a reference to the craziness of the postal service. You never hear about going UPS or FEDEX.
The fact that FEMA is ineffective and wasteful is just another example of government waste and inefficiency. There is nothing to indicate that a government run health care system would be any different from FEMA or the postal service. Other than we would be relying on it to provide long lines for us to wait in for medical attention.
Reply:If you really want to see inefficiency and waste wait until the government steps in to help. How do you expect adding more government regulation and red tape to help in any way? If we really wanted to see lower medical costs the first thing we need to do is penalize claimants and lawyers that bring frivolous lawsuits. Then go after the insurance companies who drive up prices through their practices.
By the way Emal are you talking about the same highway system that hires 7 people to get one that actually does the work. Imagine how much less it would cost if the highway workers were all responcible the way we are at our jobs.
By the way the 7 and 1 figure I gave refers to the fact that every single time I pass a highway work zone if any work is being done at all only 1 person in 7 actually seems to be working at any given time. But most of the time all I see is idle machines and one guy sitting in the truck looking at the work to be done.
Blue is obviously not telling the whole story since everyone knows that hospitals are required by law to treat any injured person that comes in the door. How do you think our system is being destroyed by illegals getting free care at the hospitals?
Reply:I know so many working people who can't afford to go to the doctor. When I was a full time cashier at Wal -Mart I fell and broke my knee cap in their parking lot several years ago . Don't worry I didn't sue them because I fell getting off work. I tripped -an accident on a hot day and I was tired.
Didn't know that it was broken -went to work the next day and it swelled up -I was in terrible pain -had to go home -they fired me for leaving.
called the doctor -didn't do any good because I did not (and could not afford ) health ins. Still broken to this day and sometimes I get arthritis in it so bad that I CAN'T WALK%26gt; I am a widow and have had a hard time of it since then.
Just one story in a million. Our taxes should go back to people in need. My father paid for a life time -never saw any back in his hand to help -my husband paid in a life time -never saw a dime back either I paid -my mother paid . I know taxes pay for police -firemen (which are in my family as well )military etc. So unless you believe that the common working people are expendable what do you suggest that we the common working people do when we can not afford to go to the doctor (or hospital)? I know this is a Bible quote -But right now our government's feet are made of clay.
Just speaking out for the humane treatment for American citizens.
Reply:I don't have the answers for how to make it work. Other countries have universal health, so I KNOW we can, too. I have good health insurance. However, let me tell you a lesson my dad used to teach me:
Say you work for a unionized company which has pensions as part of the contract. For 30 years you voted on contract agreements but never cared what benefits were given to the retirees. Never fought for retiree benefits. Cared ONLY about what YOU could receive in the here and now. Over the years you've aged, and tired. You cannot keep up the pace with the younger folks and your job is in jeopardy. So you decide you better retire. But you can't because the pension is too little to live on. You petition the union to work toward larger pensions but the majority of the folks at the company are younger.........and they only care about the here and now and what THEY can get.
I see the same situation with my health care coverage. Right now....I have coverage. But what happens if I lose that coverage? What happens if, years from now when I want to retire because I've aged and I'm tired, I cannot because my company does not cover retires and I cannot afford to buy health insurance. I NEED the government to help me. I NEED affordable health insuance subsidized by my government. So I petition "the people" and ask them to write their congress representatives.......but "the people" don't care.....they are more interested in what THEY need.
Sorry for the diatribe. I work in the medical field and I have yet to meet a doctor who supports universal health insurance. And very few of my co-workers support it. But I believe it is due to fear and propaganda. When I explain it the way I see it, some have changed their views. Some have not.
Reply:To answer your question, just look north.
There is a reason that well-off Canadians come to the US for their healthcare. There is a reason that Canadian doctors try to get jobs in the US before they do in Canada.
The US postal service is nearly bankrupt. I agree that they are one of the best run gov't agencies.. but they are still in trouble. Only junk mail keeps them in business. The private sector does it better.
The USGS does a pretty good job, yes, but that is an area where privatization wouldn't allow them to be as thorough as that can be while being funded by tax dollars.
FEMA is absolutely useless, except for their dangerousness.... just look to the hurricane Katrina disaster as the only example you need. FEMA is an agency that scares the crap out of me.. did you know that with an executive order FEMA can declare martial law upon the entire country? Look it up, you'll see.
The weather service is not bad, but private weather services are just as good. That's something that we need, to a point, since it affects all of us every day. Private companies could probably do it better, but there is no profit motive.
For health care, the answer is likely somewhere in the middle. Expanding free clinics for the 'needy' would be a good thing, as most basic care isn't very expensive. Relaxing regulations so that many procedures that now are required to be performed by MD's can be performed by lesser-trained but still highly capable RN's would save more money, and the whole malpractice thing is out of control. But forcing state health care down everyone's throats? Opens up too many cans of worms.
The government does pretty much everything badly %26amp; inefficiently.
Reply:Sounds like the first faltering steps towards socialism. Watch out they don't burn you at the stake.
Reply:No.
It means gov't policy has upset the balance by subsidizing employer health care via tax benefits.
So now, no one pays their own bill, and expects someone else to pay it. That's what's gone wrong.
In the old days, people paid their own bills and prices were reasonable, because they had to be. There weren't 18 bizillion insurance companies to try and collect from, each with a different form. The only insurance people had was for catastrophic illness.
Universal health care will result in only 1 thing. Rationing. When a service is made free to use, demand will skyrocket beyond supply.
And I invite you to look at Veteran's Health Care and public education in this country. Any time the gov't has a monopoly, service sucks. It's only after the rise of Fed Ex and UPS that the Postal Service improved due to competition. the only reason it still survives is that gov't prohibits competition for regular mail.
Want another example. The cable company. Granted monopoly status by your city or county. You watch, if we can ever get a 3rd competitor for Tv and internet, suddenly cable will get a whole lot better and cheaper.
Still another example. Telephone service. Back when AT%26amp;T was a monopoly, you had to buy the phone from them, and service. You paid what they said and that was it. Now 25 years after the breakup, there has been wild improvements in telephone service, including long distance rapidly becoming free to use. Right now I pay 3.9 cents per minute with no monthly fee or minimum usage requirements on a 3rd party long distance company. Many just pay a small monthly fee and get all the long distance you can eat. A far cry from when I was young. I remember calling my grandma long distance and the rate was 35 cents at off peak time for 3 minutes.
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Did you knew Polar Bears could die!! but you could make the diference today, just enter to this link and vote?
We still have time to do something!
In as few as 50 years, America's polar bears could be gone.
Photo credit: D. Crosbie, Canadian Ice Service New research by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) predicts dramatic declines in polar bear populations as global warming melts the Arctic sea ice these bears depend on for survival. It has never been so urgent to reduce global warming emissions and protect polar bears from extinction.
In light of these findings, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has reopened a brief, two week comment period on its January 2007 proposal to list polar bears as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act.
No more delays or excuses - it's time to protect polar bears and their melting homes. Sign our petition to submit your official public comment urging the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to protect polar bears from extinction!
the site is:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeactio...
PLEASE PASS THIS TO YOUR FRIENDS!
Did you knew Polar Bears could die!! but you could make the diference today, just enter to this link and vote?
i will help. i signed! this is a good idea, being that they only need about 2,000 more signatures to meet their goal. kudos to you .... and LONG LIVE ALL FORMS OF LIFE IN THE WORLD!.... good luck!
Reply:First, I didn't know Polar Bears were American. Perhaps they can vote, which would be very helpful because politicians would want to keep them alive.
As much as we like the cute fellows, they are really vicious predators. I don't see anyone staying up all night crying over sabre-tooth tigers, so why should I cry over polar bears?
Reply:did you know polor bears have BLACK skin and CLEAR hair?
Reply:Due to Global Warming? The animation in An Inconvenient Truth was hilarious. The polar bear was swimming and couldn't find an ice chunk solid enough to support him. Most people in my class were sad and shocked. Me and my friend laughed our asses off.
Reply:I will help the polar bears! They're so cute :)
Reply:I will vote for the polar bears.
Reply:An endangered species is a population of an organism which is at risk of becoming extinct because it is either few in number, or threatened by changing environmental or predation parameters. An endangered species is usually a taxonomic species, but may be another evolutionary significant unit. The World Conservation Union (IUCN) has calculated the percentage of endangered species as 40 percent of all organisms based on the sample of species that have been evaluated through 2006.[2] (Note: the IUCN groups all threatened species for their summary purposes.) Many nations have laws offering protection to these species: for example, forbidding hunting, restricting land development or creating preserves. Only a few of the many species at risk of extinction actually make it to the lists and obtain legal protection. Many more species become extinct, or potentially will become extinct, without gaining public notice.
The conservation status of a species is an indicator of the likelihood of that endangered species not living. Many factors are taken into account when assessing the conservation status of a species; not simply the number remaining, but the overall increase or decrease in the population over time, breeding success rates, known threats, and so on. The IUCN Red List is the best known conservation status listing.
Internationally, 189 countries have signed an accord agreeing to create Biodiversity Action Plans to protect endangered and other threatened species. In the U.S. this plan is usually called a species Recovery Plan
The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species uses the term endangered species as a specific category of imperilment, rather than as a general term. Under the IUCN Categories and Criteria, endangered species is between critically endangered and vulnerable. Also critically endangered species may also be counted as endangered species and fill all the criteria
The more general term used by the IUCN for species at risk of extinction is threatened species, which also includes the less-at-risk category of vulnerable species together with endangered and critically endangered.
IUCN categories include:
Extinct: the last remaining member of the species had died, or is presumed beyond reasonable doubt to have died. Examples: Thylacine, Dodo, Passenger Pigeon
Extinct in the wild: captive individuals survive, but there is no free-living, natural population. Examples: Alagoas Curassow
Critically endangered: faces an extremely high risk of extinction in the immediate future. Examples: Ivory-billed Woodpecker, Arakan Forest Turtle, Javan Rhino
Endangered: faces a very high risk of extinction in the near future. Examples: Cheetah, Blue Whale, Snow Leopard, African Wild Dog
Vulnerable: faces a high risk of extinction in the medium-term. Examples: Gaur, Lion
Least Concern: no immediate threat to the survival of the species. Examples: Norway Rat, Nootka Cypress Hawaiian Hawk
In as few as 50 years, America's polar bears could be gone.
Photo credit: D. Crosbie, Canadian Ice Service New research by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) predicts dramatic declines in polar bear populations as global warming melts the Arctic sea ice these bears depend on for survival. It has never been so urgent to reduce global warming emissions and protect polar bears from extinction.
In light of these findings, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has reopened a brief, two week comment period on its January 2007 proposal to list polar bears as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act.
No more delays or excuses - it's time to protect polar bears and their melting homes. Sign our petition to submit your official public comment urging the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to protect polar bears from extinction!
the site is:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeactio...
PLEASE PASS THIS TO YOUR FRIENDS!
Did you knew Polar Bears could die!! but you could make the diference today, just enter to this link and vote?
i will help. i signed! this is a good idea, being that they only need about 2,000 more signatures to meet their goal. kudos to you .... and LONG LIVE ALL FORMS OF LIFE IN THE WORLD!.... good luck!
Reply:First, I didn't know Polar Bears were American. Perhaps they can vote, which would be very helpful because politicians would want to keep them alive.
As much as we like the cute fellows, they are really vicious predators. I don't see anyone staying up all night crying over sabre-tooth tigers, so why should I cry over polar bears?
Reply:did you know polor bears have BLACK skin and CLEAR hair?
Reply:Due to Global Warming? The animation in An Inconvenient Truth was hilarious. The polar bear was swimming and couldn't find an ice chunk solid enough to support him. Most people in my class were sad and shocked. Me and my friend laughed our asses off.
Reply:I will help the polar bears! They're so cute :)
Reply:I will vote for the polar bears.
Reply:An endangered species is a population of an organism which is at risk of becoming extinct because it is either few in number, or threatened by changing environmental or predation parameters. An endangered species is usually a taxonomic species, but may be another evolutionary significant unit. The World Conservation Union (IUCN) has calculated the percentage of endangered species as 40 percent of all organisms based on the sample of species that have been evaluated through 2006.[2] (Note: the IUCN groups all threatened species for their summary purposes.) Many nations have laws offering protection to these species: for example, forbidding hunting, restricting land development or creating preserves. Only a few of the many species at risk of extinction actually make it to the lists and obtain legal protection. Many more species become extinct, or potentially will become extinct, without gaining public notice.
The conservation status of a species is an indicator of the likelihood of that endangered species not living. Many factors are taken into account when assessing the conservation status of a species; not simply the number remaining, but the overall increase or decrease in the population over time, breeding success rates, known threats, and so on. The IUCN Red List is the best known conservation status listing.
Internationally, 189 countries have signed an accord agreeing to create Biodiversity Action Plans to protect endangered and other threatened species. In the U.S. this plan is usually called a species Recovery Plan
The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species uses the term endangered species as a specific category of imperilment, rather than as a general term. Under the IUCN Categories and Criteria, endangered species is between critically endangered and vulnerable. Also critically endangered species may also be counted as endangered species and fill all the criteria
The more general term used by the IUCN for species at risk of extinction is threatened species, which also includes the less-at-risk category of vulnerable species together with endangered and critically endangered.
IUCN categories include:
Extinct: the last remaining member of the species had died, or is presumed beyond reasonable doubt to have died. Examples: Thylacine, Dodo, Passenger Pigeon
Extinct in the wild: captive individuals survive, but there is no free-living, natural population. Examples: Alagoas Curassow
Critically endangered: faces an extremely high risk of extinction in the immediate future. Examples: Ivory-billed Woodpecker, Arakan Forest Turtle, Javan Rhino
Endangered: faces a very high risk of extinction in the near future. Examples: Cheetah, Blue Whale, Snow Leopard, African Wild Dog
Vulnerable: faces a high risk of extinction in the medium-term. Examples: Gaur, Lion
Least Concern: no immediate threat to the survival of the species. Examples: Norway Rat, Nootka Cypress Hawaiian Hawk
So is it just a coincidence when Matthew said: Earthquakes will increase in the End Times?
Magnitude 6.8 - SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS REGION-TODAY
6.3-Magnitude Earthquake Strikes Nevada
earthquake hit northeast Nevada on Thursday
Norway's biggest quake hits Svalbard archipelago
An earthquake of 6.2 magnitude -- the biggest in Norwegian history -- jolted the thinly populated Svalbard archipelago in the Arctic on Wednesday night
Quake in Indonesia Kills 3, Injures 25-Tuesday
The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake had a preliminary magnitude of 7.6 and struck under the island of Simeulue off the western coast of Sumatra
3 5.0 Quake Shakes Calif.-Mexico Border
An estimated 5.0-magnitude earthquake has shaken the U.S.-Mexico border region near San Diego.
Earthquake Strikes Lebanon, Shakes Mideast
An earthquake shook parts of Lebanon and neighboring countries on Friday, causing damage and panic among residents
Quake strikes southern Greece
A strong earthquake struck southern Greece on Thursday
ALL OF THESE HAVE STRUCK SINCE FEB12th..ALL OVER 5.0
So is it just a coincidence when Matthew said: Earthquakes will increase in the End Times?
Not coincidence. We're just wearing the planet out. :)
Of all the discussions and theory's that address the end times, there is only one thing that sticks in the back of my mind. They are, in fact coming, just not here yet. We have the single union of the heads to worry about, the anti Christ and a whole other series of things to do. What bothers me is that in order to have this single union or government, there is going to have to be mass devastation to warrant such a thing, and I mean massive. Why else would America, China and a country so proud as Russia sign such an agreement. Gonna get worse?! OMG you have no idea.
Reply:You know there's dozens of these across the world every day, right?
Reply:since the dawn of time there have been earthquakes on this planet. since the day it was created/formed. Always have been always will be, at least until the earth is a dead hunk of rock. We just have CNN to cover them all. I really can't believe you would even consider using earthquakes to validate your belief that the end days are here. The tsunami that killed 200k was caused by a serious earthquake but in the mid 70's there was an earthquake in china that killed 300k. War, famine, pestilence, earthquakes. We will always have these. Your claim regarding earthquakes is ridiculous. There is NO evidence that they are occuring with more frequency or intensity than they did a million years ago.
Here is a website that I have been looking at everyday for the last 5 years. I saw the indonesian earthquake within an hour of it occuring. Lots of info here. All science, all fact.
Reply:Is it a coincidence that MANY others made the same kind of predictions.
There's nothing supernatural about earthquakes.
Reply:Sit down relax and think for one moment, the world is what 4 or 5 billion years old maybe even older, and mankind maybe 1 or 2 hundred thousand years old, and now all of a sudden it's all going to end, common sense and logic tells this man it's insane nonsense, and religious fear mongering that's all, hey the world is evolving and changing 24-7 and has for millions of years and some ding bat thinks they have the answer to the end, I wouldn't embarrass myself over such insane nonsense.
Reply:I don't think that anything in the Bible is a coincidence.
Reply:No ma'am. These are the end times in my opinion.
Reply:Ty must be getting some then. Good for him. :)
Good job Larry! Great minds...you know. :)
Reply:LOL at the first two answers! I was just gonna post that!
LMAO
Reply:Wow, you really are an endearing little thing, aren't you?
There are thousands of earthquakes going on at any given moment, all over the world. Most of them undersea. We don't necessarily notice (or care) about the smaller ones.
I'd bet money that you know nothing about earthquakes beyond what you gathered from news based websites.
Reply:We may think its the end,
but they also thought it was the end 50 yrs ago....
It will get WAYYYYY worst than this.
It tells about the end times in Revalation and what has to happen first.
Reply:Matthew was a tax collector. Don't believe me? Read the Gospel of Matthew.
Now if you're asking me whether a tax collector was accurate in his description of geological events, I would have to answer
"Who gives a rat's a$$?"
Reply:Earthquakes happen everyday, ones we feel and ones we don't. Yes I am a Bible believer, but these earthquakes you have shown are not unusual. Those areas are all on heavy fault lines, which keep shifting tectonic plates.
Reply:There are earthquakes every day, all over the planet.
C%26amp;C, have you ever wondered WHY you want the End TImes to occur during your lifetime? Just curious.
Reply:Matthew speaks of earthquakes ocurring shortly before the temple (that was standing at the time) would be destroyed. Those earthquakes ocurred, and the temple was destroyed. In fact, the Romans took it apart stone by stone just as Matthew claimed.
If you'd like to read the details of it, read War of the Jews here:
http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/JOS...
Those earthquakes happened two thousand years ago, and there's no need for worrying about them now.
.
Reply:So what evidence do you have that it is "increasing"? Compared to what historical data?
Reply:No, it's not a coincidence. Don't you know that the statement is a prophetic statement given by a supreme prophet?
Reply:well look for the other signs too. the temple of Jerusalem needs to be rebuilt. One of the worst earthquakes was in San Francisco, 1906. People may have thought the end was near then but here we are 100+ years later.
Reply:Quit freaking out. What are you going to do to change it? Get closer to the lord, that's the only thing you can control.
Reply:No its true and very scary.
Reply:It's because of this guy http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...
Edit: LOL st.alia
Reply:Use your free time to more productive pursuits, not looking for evidence that the world is coming to an end.
Humanity has sought and found evidence of and have been preparing and waiting for the end since recorded history.
THAT is another problem with the current fundamentalists, waiting to die, or don't you believe in the rapture where all good Christians will be shot up to heaven and avoid all of the end times gore
Reply:Read Hebrews 1:1 in these last days God choose his Son to communicate with us. When Jesus died and rose again we started the blood covenant. We have been in the last days for 2000 plus years. To answer correctly we must research earthquakes prior to Christ death. Bottom line we have been in the last days a long time.
Reply:to see if the incidence of earthquakes are actually increasing we would need to know how many occurences there was in the past and compare it with today.
i don't think there is a record of all the earthquakes that have ever taken place, so we cannot know for sure if its occurence is increasing.
Reply:Isaiah said satyrs exist. I don't think the bible is a good place to look for facts.
Reply:Yes.
It's not hard to make a prediction like earthquakes will increase. Try giving us something a little harder. Pigs will fly or something....
Reply:No. The older the earth gets, the more stress on the plates. God, who knows everything, can add and subtract. He knows we are near the end. He put it in Matthew to warn us.
Reply:Nope. Not a coincidence as far as I'm concerned.
Reply:So you're saying that earthquakes are the result of the god from the Bible getting mad at people?
Reply:do you realize how many earthquakes there have been throughout history?
earthquake = tectonic plates moving, shifting, and bumping into one another, nothing more.
6.3-Magnitude Earthquake Strikes Nevada
earthquake hit northeast Nevada on Thursday
Norway's biggest quake hits Svalbard archipelago
An earthquake of 6.2 magnitude -- the biggest in Norwegian history -- jolted the thinly populated Svalbard archipelago in the Arctic on Wednesday night
Quake in Indonesia Kills 3, Injures 25-Tuesday
The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake had a preliminary magnitude of 7.6 and struck under the island of Simeulue off the western coast of Sumatra
3 5.0 Quake Shakes Calif.-Mexico Border
An estimated 5.0-magnitude earthquake has shaken the U.S.-Mexico border region near San Diego.
Earthquake Strikes Lebanon, Shakes Mideast
An earthquake shook parts of Lebanon and neighboring countries on Friday, causing damage and panic among residents
Quake strikes southern Greece
A strong earthquake struck southern Greece on Thursday
ALL OF THESE HAVE STRUCK SINCE FEB12th..ALL OVER 5.0
So is it just a coincidence when Matthew said: Earthquakes will increase in the End Times?
Not coincidence. We're just wearing the planet out. :)
Of all the discussions and theory's that address the end times, there is only one thing that sticks in the back of my mind. They are, in fact coming, just not here yet. We have the single union of the heads to worry about, the anti Christ and a whole other series of things to do. What bothers me is that in order to have this single union or government, there is going to have to be mass devastation to warrant such a thing, and I mean massive. Why else would America, China and a country so proud as Russia sign such an agreement. Gonna get worse?! OMG you have no idea.
Reply:You know there's dozens of these across the world every day, right?
Reply:since the dawn of time there have been earthquakes on this planet. since the day it was created/formed. Always have been always will be, at least until the earth is a dead hunk of rock. We just have CNN to cover them all. I really can't believe you would even consider using earthquakes to validate your belief that the end days are here. The tsunami that killed 200k was caused by a serious earthquake but in the mid 70's there was an earthquake in china that killed 300k. War, famine, pestilence, earthquakes. We will always have these. Your claim regarding earthquakes is ridiculous. There is NO evidence that they are occuring with more frequency or intensity than they did a million years ago.
Here is a website that I have been looking at everyday for the last 5 years. I saw the indonesian earthquake within an hour of it occuring. Lots of info here. All science, all fact.
Reply:Is it a coincidence that MANY others made the same kind of predictions.
There's nothing supernatural about earthquakes.
Reply:Sit down relax and think for one moment, the world is what 4 or 5 billion years old maybe even older, and mankind maybe 1 or 2 hundred thousand years old, and now all of a sudden it's all going to end, common sense and logic tells this man it's insane nonsense, and religious fear mongering that's all, hey the world is evolving and changing 24-7 and has for millions of years and some ding bat thinks they have the answer to the end, I wouldn't embarrass myself over such insane nonsense.
Reply:I don't think that anything in the Bible is a coincidence.
Reply:No ma'am. These are the end times in my opinion.
Reply:Ty must be getting some then. Good for him. :)
Good job Larry! Great minds...you know. :)
Reply:LOL at the first two answers! I was just gonna post that!
LMAO
Reply:Wow, you really are an endearing little thing, aren't you?
There are thousands of earthquakes going on at any given moment, all over the world. Most of them undersea. We don't necessarily notice (or care) about the smaller ones.
I'd bet money that you know nothing about earthquakes beyond what you gathered from news based websites.
Reply:We may think its the end,
but they also thought it was the end 50 yrs ago....
It will get WAYYYYY worst than this.
It tells about the end times in Revalation and what has to happen first.
Reply:Matthew was a tax collector. Don't believe me? Read the Gospel of Matthew.
Now if you're asking me whether a tax collector was accurate in his description of geological events, I would have to answer
"Who gives a rat's a$$?"
Reply:Earthquakes happen everyday, ones we feel and ones we don't. Yes I am a Bible believer, but these earthquakes you have shown are not unusual. Those areas are all on heavy fault lines, which keep shifting tectonic plates.
Reply:There are earthquakes every day, all over the planet.
C%26amp;C, have you ever wondered WHY you want the End TImes to occur during your lifetime? Just curious.
Reply:Matthew speaks of earthquakes ocurring shortly before the temple (that was standing at the time) would be destroyed. Those earthquakes ocurred, and the temple was destroyed. In fact, the Romans took it apart stone by stone just as Matthew claimed.
If you'd like to read the details of it, read War of the Jews here:
http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/JOS...
Those earthquakes happened two thousand years ago, and there's no need for worrying about them now.
.
Reply:So what evidence do you have that it is "increasing"? Compared to what historical data?
Reply:No, it's not a coincidence. Don't you know that the statement is a prophetic statement given by a supreme prophet?
Reply:well look for the other signs too. the temple of Jerusalem needs to be rebuilt. One of the worst earthquakes was in San Francisco, 1906. People may have thought the end was near then but here we are 100+ years later.
Reply:Quit freaking out. What are you going to do to change it? Get closer to the lord, that's the only thing you can control.
Reply:No its true and very scary.
Reply:It's because of this guy http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...
Edit: LOL st.alia
Reply:Use your free time to more productive pursuits, not looking for evidence that the world is coming to an end.
Humanity has sought and found evidence of and have been preparing and waiting for the end since recorded history.
THAT is another problem with the current fundamentalists, waiting to die, or don't you believe in the rapture where all good Christians will be shot up to heaven and avoid all of the end times gore
Reply:Read Hebrews 1:1 in these last days God choose his Son to communicate with us. When Jesus died and rose again we started the blood covenant. We have been in the last days for 2000 plus years. To answer correctly we must research earthquakes prior to Christ death. Bottom line we have been in the last days a long time.
Reply:to see if the incidence of earthquakes are actually increasing we would need to know how many occurences there was in the past and compare it with today.
i don't think there is a record of all the earthquakes that have ever taken place, so we cannot know for sure if its occurence is increasing.
Reply:Isaiah said satyrs exist. I don't think the bible is a good place to look for facts.
Reply:Yes.
It's not hard to make a prediction like earthquakes will increase. Try giving us something a little harder. Pigs will fly or something....
Reply:No. The older the earth gets, the more stress on the plates. God, who knows everything, can add and subtract. He knows we are near the end. He put it in Matthew to warn us.
Reply:Nope. Not a coincidence as far as I'm concerned.
Reply:So you're saying that earthquakes are the result of the god from the Bible getting mad at people?
Reply:do you realize how many earthquakes there have been throughout history?
earthquake = tectonic plates moving, shifting, and bumping into one another, nothing more.
Least seismically active areas of the United States?
I realize that "active" might be a subjective term when dealing with seismic activity, since Illinois had its strongest earthquake in 40 years two weeks ago, with not much noticeable activity in the area in a long time, but I got to wondering, over the past 50-100 years, what has been the least seismically active areas of the U.S.? I notice from this map from the U.S. Geological Survey that the Aleutian Islands almost never STOP showing seismic activity:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rece...
As a personal aside, I thought going through the 5.2 was pretty cool. I was having my morning coffee when it hit, and it really woke me up...the earthquake, not the coffee. :-)
Least seismically active areas of the United States?
Yep, it is interesting, isn't it! We had one of similar magnitude here in the UK a couple of months back. I was at my computer, and I had to hold the monitor, which threatened to jump right off it's base!
Afraid I'm unable to answer your question, but I'm sure the answer is available from the USGS site.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rece...
As a personal aside, I thought going through the 5.2 was pretty cool. I was having my morning coffee when it hit, and it really woke me up...the earthquake, not the coffee. :-)
Least seismically active areas of the United States?
Yep, it is interesting, isn't it! We had one of similar magnitude here in the UK a couple of months back. I was at my computer, and I had to hold the monitor, which threatened to jump right off it's base!
Afraid I'm unable to answer your question, but I'm sure the answer is available from the USGS site.
"The frequency of major earthquakes has increased about 20 times?
what it was on an average during the two thousand years before 1914." Survival into a New Earth...
Luke 21:11 uses the phrase "and there will be great earthquakes,…"
Jesus did not detail what constitutes a great earthquake. He simply stated that there will be great earthquakes and these will be in one place after another.
Seismology is a new science with the first seismograph invented in 1880. For this reason accurate records of earthquakes measuring 7.5 on the Richter scale have only become possible since then. Accurate and complete seismological records are now readily obtainable. http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstat... (July 2005) provided a list of earthquakes for this period resulting in over 1000 deaths. From 1902 to 2001
Where is your proof to dispute this?
The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that large earthquakes occur about once a year. Smaller earthquakes, only magnitude 2 earthquakes, occur several hundred times a day www.encyclopedia.com stated 1 January 2005
"The frequency of major earthquakes has increased about 20 times?
Sweetie- they will miss it.
But, yes- they are increasing in magnitude and frequency.
Reply:It never fails to amaze me how all these fundies just try to reach to make anything fit their little fairy tale book. It's kind of comical.
Reply:Astonishing.
Where are you getting your figures for prior to 1935, when the Richter scale was invented? Did earthquakes measure 7.5 'thingies' prior to then?
And the first seismograph was invented in the 2nd century, in China.
It's hard to dispute your facts when they're so illogically laid out, and indeed seem to peter out mid-paragraph from wherever you copypastaed them.
Reply:There's nothing supernatural about earthquakes.
Joshua commanded the sun to stop and the sun doesn't even move.
Reply:The old gal she is a changing really nothing to worry about though, unless you live in a earthquake zone or fault.
Reply:So you're saying there's no possible natural explanation?
Reply:I can assure you that the frequency of earthquakes during the formation of the Appalachian or Rocky Mountain ranges was much higher than it is today.
Although, since many of you Christians think the Earth is only 6000 years old, Platetechtonics probably doesn't compute.
Reply:Since as you pointed out "Seismology is a new science with the first seismograph invented in 1880." how in the world can you then state that "The frequency of major earthquakes has increased about 20 times what it was on an average during the two thousand years before 1914." without being so embarrassed at your own inanity that you turn red, run out of the room and hide in your closet out of shame?
Holy crap, you didn't even read the entire article did you. It contradicts your main point and you didn't even notice. I recommend you stick to nursing and leave geology to the literate.
Reply:Makes you think doesnt it? Last days!
Reply:Actually, that same page links to this page:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/topi...
Which states:
We continue to be asked by many people throughout the world if earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.
A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more than 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years. The NEIC now locates about 20,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 50 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in the environment and natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes.
According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 17 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year.
Reply:The frequency has not increased, what has increased is our ability to be more aware due to advances in media coverage.
BB
)O(
Reply:Have you ever been to school? Ever in your life?
You know these things, it' a little difficult to grasp, they're called plate tectonics?
Reply:Didn't you even read the "Are Earthquakes Really on the Increase?" page that was linked in your own link?
Reply:It seems like, as the number of monitoring stations increase... we monitor more earthquakes...it's like speeding cameras, the more there are, the more people get caught... doesn't mean the others weren't speeding before, just that they get noticed more. The important bit is that the number of major earthquakes stays the same... regardless, so there's no increase :)
Btw...you're a BIT out of your league with the sciency stuff... trust me. It's not even your sport... and most likely not your country...
*scoff*
Reply:MARBLES!
edit: do you have an earthquake fetish?
teeth
Luke 21:11 uses the phrase "and there will be great earthquakes,…"
Jesus did not detail what constitutes a great earthquake. He simply stated that there will be great earthquakes and these will be in one place after another.
Seismology is a new science with the first seismograph invented in 1880. For this reason accurate records of earthquakes measuring 7.5 on the Richter scale have only become possible since then. Accurate and complete seismological records are now readily obtainable. http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstat... (July 2005) provided a list of earthquakes for this period resulting in over 1000 deaths. From 1902 to 2001
Where is your proof to dispute this?
The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that large earthquakes occur about once a year. Smaller earthquakes, only magnitude 2 earthquakes, occur several hundred times a day www.encyclopedia.com stated 1 January 2005
"The frequency of major earthquakes has increased about 20 times?
Sweetie- they will miss it.
But, yes- they are increasing in magnitude and frequency.
Reply:It never fails to amaze me how all these fundies just try to reach to make anything fit their little fairy tale book. It's kind of comical.
Reply:Astonishing.
Where are you getting your figures for prior to 1935, when the Richter scale was invented? Did earthquakes measure 7.5 'thingies' prior to then?
And the first seismograph was invented in the 2nd century, in China.
It's hard to dispute your facts when they're so illogically laid out, and indeed seem to peter out mid-paragraph from wherever you copypastaed them.
Reply:There's nothing supernatural about earthquakes.
Joshua commanded the sun to stop and the sun doesn't even move.
Reply:The old gal she is a changing really nothing to worry about though, unless you live in a earthquake zone or fault.
Reply:So you're saying there's no possible natural explanation?
Reply:I can assure you that the frequency of earthquakes during the formation of the Appalachian or Rocky Mountain ranges was much higher than it is today.
Although, since many of you Christians think the Earth is only 6000 years old, Platetechtonics probably doesn't compute.
Reply:Since as you pointed out "Seismology is a new science with the first seismograph invented in 1880." how in the world can you then state that "The frequency of major earthquakes has increased about 20 times what it was on an average during the two thousand years before 1914." without being so embarrassed at your own inanity that you turn red, run out of the room and hide in your closet out of shame?
Holy crap, you didn't even read the entire article did you. It contradicts your main point and you didn't even notice. I recommend you stick to nursing and leave geology to the literate.
Reply:Makes you think doesnt it? Last days!
Reply:Actually, that same page links to this page:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/topi...
Which states:
We continue to be asked by many people throughout the world if earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.
A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more than 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years. The NEIC now locates about 20,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 50 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in the environment and natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes.
According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 17 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year.
Reply:The frequency has not increased, what has increased is our ability to be more aware due to advances in media coverage.
BB
)O(
Reply:Have you ever been to school? Ever in your life?
You know these things, it' a little difficult to grasp, they're called plate tectonics?
Reply:Didn't you even read the "Are Earthquakes Really on the Increase?" page that was linked in your own link?
Reply:It seems like, as the number of monitoring stations increase... we monitor more earthquakes...it's like speeding cameras, the more there are, the more people get caught... doesn't mean the others weren't speeding before, just that they get noticed more. The important bit is that the number of major earthquakes stays the same... regardless, so there's no increase :)
Btw...you're a BIT out of your league with the sciency stuff... trust me. It's not even your sport... and most likely not your country...
*scoff*
Reply:MARBLES!
edit: do you have an earthquake fetish?
teeth
Don't you think studing Biblical Prophecy and Prayer just gives you stronger faith?
and courage as you see unfolding current events that are affecting our planet?
Such as these latest events:
Battered by bad economic news, consumer confidence plunged while wholesale food, energy and medicine costs soared, pushing inflation up at the fastest pace in a quarter century
third report Tuesday showed that home prices, measured by the S%26amp;P/Case-Shiller Index, dropped by 8.9 percent in the fourth quarter of last year, the steepest drop in the 20-year history of the index
A 4th strong 6.7-magnitude earthquake struck off Indonesia's Sumatra island early Tuesday, the US Geological Survey said, sparking a local tsunami alert
Kuwaiti Paper: Mega-Attack on Israel in March coordinated by Syria and Iran-http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/F...
Abbas: Peace in 2008 or never-http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...
Don't you think studing Biblical Prophecy and Prayer just gives you stronger faith?
The purpose of prophecy is NOT to make people feel smug. If you read it properly, you will see yourself in it, and not necessarily as a victim. Properly understood, prophecy will motivate you to take action to make the world better, not sit idly by and watch people suffer. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. Jesus had no patience with people who mouthed platitudes and acted "virtuous". He only respected people who were actively trying to transform the world and build up the kingdom of heaven.
Reply:I guess you could say that.
I don't believe in a God, but I have faith in love. Faith that it unites people.
And being here in R%26amp;S is a form of religious study. It is also strengthening my faith in love, because it strengthens my love.
So, following a logical path through the above information, I conclude that indeed my faith is strengthened by religious study.
((((hugs))))
Reply:It didn't work that way for me. It only led to more and more questions without plausible answers.
Reply:It does make me stronger in faith, and realizing that there is so much more spiritualy to live for than whats on this earth.
Reply:Yes reading scripture and prayer will increase your faith.
But regarding the news items...none of that is important.
Don't get caught up in end-times prophecy gloom and doom. If it is so, you cannot stop it. It is written and therefore must occur. If it is false, then you waste much life on "the cares of this world".
Love God and be happy.
Peace
Reply:the news tends to just reinforce my belief in God,since God told us these things would happen...yes
Reply:YES GODS WORD IS FOOD FOR YOUR SOUL... THE WORLD AND THIS SYSTEM IS FALLING NO HOPE FOR THOSE THAT DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS ... HE S THE SAVIOR ;;;
Reply:i like that it gives me the ability to answer whatever questions non-believers might have. that it backs up my faith.
Reply:No, in fact, I suspect the buy-bull kills brain cells.
Reply:Our lives are easier and more comfortable then ever in the history of the world.
Reply:Yes, I do.
Such as these latest events:
Battered by bad economic news, consumer confidence plunged while wholesale food, energy and medicine costs soared, pushing inflation up at the fastest pace in a quarter century
third report Tuesday showed that home prices, measured by the S%26amp;P/Case-Shiller Index, dropped by 8.9 percent in the fourth quarter of last year, the steepest drop in the 20-year history of the index
A 4th strong 6.7-magnitude earthquake struck off Indonesia's Sumatra island early Tuesday, the US Geological Survey said, sparking a local tsunami alert
Kuwaiti Paper: Mega-Attack on Israel in March coordinated by Syria and Iran-http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/F...
Abbas: Peace in 2008 or never-http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...
Don't you think studing Biblical Prophecy and Prayer just gives you stronger faith?
The purpose of prophecy is NOT to make people feel smug. If you read it properly, you will see yourself in it, and not necessarily as a victim. Properly understood, prophecy will motivate you to take action to make the world better, not sit idly by and watch people suffer. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. Jesus had no patience with people who mouthed platitudes and acted "virtuous". He only respected people who were actively trying to transform the world and build up the kingdom of heaven.
Reply:I guess you could say that.
I don't believe in a God, but I have faith in love. Faith that it unites people.
And being here in R%26amp;S is a form of religious study. It is also strengthening my faith in love, because it strengthens my love.
So, following a logical path through the above information, I conclude that indeed my faith is strengthened by religious study.
((((hugs))))
Reply:It didn't work that way for me. It only led to more and more questions without plausible answers.
Reply:It does make me stronger in faith, and realizing that there is so much more spiritualy to live for than whats on this earth.
Reply:Yes reading scripture and prayer will increase your faith.
But regarding the news items...none of that is important.
Don't get caught up in end-times prophecy gloom and doom. If it is so, you cannot stop it. It is written and therefore must occur. If it is false, then you waste much life on "the cares of this world".
Love God and be happy.
Peace
Reply:the news tends to just reinforce my belief in God,since God told us these things would happen...yes
Reply:YES GODS WORD IS FOOD FOR YOUR SOUL... THE WORLD AND THIS SYSTEM IS FALLING NO HOPE FOR THOSE THAT DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS ... HE S THE SAVIOR ;;;
Reply:i like that it gives me the ability to answer whatever questions non-believers might have. that it backs up my faith.
Reply:No, in fact, I suspect the buy-bull kills brain cells.
Reply:Our lives are easier and more comfortable then ever in the history of the world.
Reply:Yes, I do.
Why would you choose this artical?And did you agree with the informatin given?
Working as part of the National Science Foundation's West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide (WAIS Divide) Ice Core Project, a team of scientists, engineers, technicians, and students from multiple U.S. institutions have recovered a 580-meter (1,900-foot) ice core -- the first section of what is hoped to be a 3,465-meter (11,360-foot) column of ice detailing 100,000 years of Earth's climate history, including a precise year-by-year record of the last 40,000 years.
The dust, chemicals, and air trapped in the two-mile-long ice core will provide critical information for scientists working to predict the extent to which human activity will alter Earth's climate, according to the chief scientist for the project, Kendrick Taylor of the Desert Research Institute of the Nevada System of Higher Education. DRI, along with the University of New Hampshire, operates the Science Coordination Office for the WAIS Divide Project.
WAIS Divide, named for the high-elevation region that is the boundary separating opposing flow directions on the ice sheet, is the best spot on the planet to recover ancient ice containing trapped air bubbles -- samples of the Earth's atmosphere from the present to as far back as 100,000 years ago.
While other ice cores have been used to develop longer records of Earth's atmosphere, the record from WAIS Divide will allow a more detailed study of the interaction of previous increases in greenhouse gases and climate change. This information will improve computer models that are used to predict how the current unprecedented high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity will influence future climate.
The WAIS Divide core is also the Southern Hemisphere equivalent of a series of ice cores drilled in Greenland beginning in 1989, and it will provide the best opportunity for scientists to determine if global-scale climate changes that occurred before human activity started to influence climate were initiated in the Arctic, the tropics, or Antarctica.
The new core will also allow investigations of biological material in deep ice, which will yield information about biogeochemical processes that control and are controlled by climate, as well as lead to fundamental insights about life on Earth.
Says Taylor, "We are very excited to work with ancient ice that fell as snow as long as 100,000 years ago. We read the ice like other people might read a stack of old weather reports."
The WAIS project took more than 15 years of planning and preparation, including extensive airborne reconnaissance and ground-based geophysical research, to pinpoint the one-square-kilometer (less than a square mile) space on the 932,000-square-kilometer (360,000-square-mile) ice sheet that scientists believe will provide the clearest climate record for the last 100,000 years.
With only some 40 days a year when the weather is warm enough for drilling -- yesterday's temperature was a balmy -15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) -- it is expected to take until January 2010 to complete the fieldwork.
For the project, Ice Coring and Drilling Services of the University of Wisconsin-Madison built and is operating a state-of-the-art, deep ice-coring drill, which is more like a piece of scientific equipment than a conventional rock drill used in petroleum exploration. The U.S. Geological Survey National Ice Core Laboratory in Denver designed the core handling system. Raytheon Polar Services Corporation provides the logistical support. The NSF Office of Polar Programs-U.S. Antarctic Program funds the project. The core will be archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, which is run by the USGS with funding from NSF.
Why would you choose this artical?And did you agree with the informatin given?
I would choose this article because a friend of mine just got back from doing this in Antarctica. It's very valuable work and I don't think there's much you could disagree with in the article.
The dust, chemicals, and air trapped in the two-mile-long ice core will provide critical information for scientists working to predict the extent to which human activity will alter Earth's climate, according to the chief scientist for the project, Kendrick Taylor of the Desert Research Institute of the Nevada System of Higher Education. DRI, along with the University of New Hampshire, operates the Science Coordination Office for the WAIS Divide Project.
WAIS Divide, named for the high-elevation region that is the boundary separating opposing flow directions on the ice sheet, is the best spot on the planet to recover ancient ice containing trapped air bubbles -- samples of the Earth's atmosphere from the present to as far back as 100,000 years ago.
While other ice cores have been used to develop longer records of Earth's atmosphere, the record from WAIS Divide will allow a more detailed study of the interaction of previous increases in greenhouse gases and climate change. This information will improve computer models that are used to predict how the current unprecedented high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity will influence future climate.
The WAIS Divide core is also the Southern Hemisphere equivalent of a series of ice cores drilled in Greenland beginning in 1989, and it will provide the best opportunity for scientists to determine if global-scale climate changes that occurred before human activity started to influence climate were initiated in the Arctic, the tropics, or Antarctica.
The new core will also allow investigations of biological material in deep ice, which will yield information about biogeochemical processes that control and are controlled by climate, as well as lead to fundamental insights about life on Earth.
Says Taylor, "We are very excited to work with ancient ice that fell as snow as long as 100,000 years ago. We read the ice like other people might read a stack of old weather reports."
The WAIS project took more than 15 years of planning and preparation, including extensive airborne reconnaissance and ground-based geophysical research, to pinpoint the one-square-kilometer (less than a square mile) space on the 932,000-square-kilometer (360,000-square-mile) ice sheet that scientists believe will provide the clearest climate record for the last 100,000 years.
With only some 40 days a year when the weather is warm enough for drilling -- yesterday's temperature was a balmy -15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) -- it is expected to take until January 2010 to complete the fieldwork.
For the project, Ice Coring and Drilling Services of the University of Wisconsin-Madison built and is operating a state-of-the-art, deep ice-coring drill, which is more like a piece of scientific equipment than a conventional rock drill used in petroleum exploration. The U.S. Geological Survey National Ice Core Laboratory in Denver designed the core handling system. Raytheon Polar Services Corporation provides the logistical support. The NSF Office of Polar Programs-U.S. Antarctic Program funds the project. The core will be archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, which is run by the USGS with funding from NSF.
Why would you choose this artical?And did you agree with the informatin given?
I would choose this article because a friend of mine just got back from doing this in Antarctica. It's very valuable work and I don't think there's much you could disagree with in the article.
So what do you think is the true story with the weather? Polar Shift of 2012?
Scientists quacking like ducks to figure out what they don't know? Ice Age,or the end times that we need to prepare ourselves for in the coming of our Lord?
Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory? http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/global_...
The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake had a preliminary magnitude of 7.6 and struck under the island of Simeulue off the western coast of Sumatra
5.0 Quake Shakes Calif.-Mexico Border- 5th one on the same fault
-magnitude earthquake has shaken the U.S.-Mexico border region near San Diego.
Where have all the sunspots gone?
Given the current quietness of the sun and it’s magnetic field, combined with the late start to cycle 24 it appears that the sun has slowed it’s internal dynamo to a similar level such as Dalton Minimum.
So what do you think is the true story with the weather? Polar Shift of 2012?
Weather we are in a global warming pattern or a global cooling pattern is no concern of mine since the Bible tells us that God will provide and give us everything we need. Trust and obey.
Reply:There is all kinds of conflicting data on the ice caps. It's melting some places, and growing others. There is also data that indicates warming on other planets.
It is complected, and anyone saying there is an easy answer isn't very informed. But none of that indicates that anything out of the normal is happening. We only have about 50 years of global data since that is all the longer we have satellites. There is 4.5 billion years of history. Not much to go on.
Reply:The true story is that we're experiencing weather phenomena that we've seen before. Earthquakes are nothing new, and are not increasing in frequency. The only increase is in the detection methods, which is why we see more.
That website you link to obviously doesn't understand that what is referred to as "global warming" is actually "global climate change." The severe weather patterns they talk about don't prove that it's false, they support the fact that it's happening.
I don't know what happened to the sunspots. I also don't know about the Polar Shift. Science doesn't have enough information about polar shifts to predict them, so I would be wary of anybody claiming that one will happen in 2012.
Reply:I believe it is a natural cycle, after all we were not around a million years ago, and if you check the layers of the earth, there have been times like this. Still, be like the boyscouts, always be prepared.
Reply:Can you please stop with the "world is going to end on December 21, 2012" rubbish? I have got news for you: it wil not. On December 22, 2012, I will wake up and make fun of everyone that believed this joke.
Reply:the true story is that the worlds climate has never ever been stable.
Reply:I feel that mans rule on earth has reached it's end. Look at the signs, children taking the greatest gift that God gave us another child's life. Oil, Prices, corruption in Government, Iran North Korea, where do we go from here. God will set up his Government and end Mans rule. He gave us 6000 years to rule ourselves and look at what we have done. One GOD, One Church, One Son, One Truth. It is the End Times with only one seal to be opened, this has to happen before we destroy each other and if you look we are not to far from that.
Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory? http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/global_...
The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake had a preliminary magnitude of 7.6 and struck under the island of Simeulue off the western coast of Sumatra
5.0 Quake Shakes Calif.-Mexico Border- 5th one on the same fault
-magnitude earthquake has shaken the U.S.-Mexico border region near San Diego.
Where have all the sunspots gone?
Given the current quietness of the sun and it’s magnetic field, combined with the late start to cycle 24 it appears that the sun has slowed it’s internal dynamo to a similar level such as Dalton Minimum.
So what do you think is the true story with the weather? Polar Shift of 2012?
Weather we are in a global warming pattern or a global cooling pattern is no concern of mine since the Bible tells us that God will provide and give us everything we need. Trust and obey.
Reply:There is all kinds of conflicting data on the ice caps. It's melting some places, and growing others. There is also data that indicates warming on other planets.
It is complected, and anyone saying there is an easy answer isn't very informed. But none of that indicates that anything out of the normal is happening. We only have about 50 years of global data since that is all the longer we have satellites. There is 4.5 billion years of history. Not much to go on.
Reply:The true story is that we're experiencing weather phenomena that we've seen before. Earthquakes are nothing new, and are not increasing in frequency. The only increase is in the detection methods, which is why we see more.
That website you link to obviously doesn't understand that what is referred to as "global warming" is actually "global climate change." The severe weather patterns they talk about don't prove that it's false, they support the fact that it's happening.
I don't know what happened to the sunspots. I also don't know about the Polar Shift. Science doesn't have enough information about polar shifts to predict them, so I would be wary of anybody claiming that one will happen in 2012.
Reply:I believe it is a natural cycle, after all we were not around a million years ago, and if you check the layers of the earth, there have been times like this. Still, be like the boyscouts, always be prepared.
Reply:Can you please stop with the "world is going to end on December 21, 2012" rubbish? I have got news for you: it wil not. On December 22, 2012, I will wake up and make fun of everyone that believed this joke.
Reply:the true story is that the worlds climate has never ever been stable.
Reply:I feel that mans rule on earth has reached it's end. Look at the signs, children taking the greatest gift that God gave us another child's life. Oil, Prices, corruption in Government, Iran North Korea, where do we go from here. God will set up his Government and end Mans rule. He gave us 6000 years to rule ourselves and look at what we have done. One GOD, One Church, One Son, One Truth. It is the End Times with only one seal to be opened, this has to happen before we destroy each other and if you look we are not to far from that.
Officially Record Your Experience Of The UK Earthquake?
The British Geological Survey collates data about UK earthquakes.
You can record your experience through their questionnaire here...
http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/
Oh and I'll give the 10 points to whoever gives the best account of what they were doing when the earth moved!
x
Officially Record Your Experience Of The UK Earthquake?
i was in the living room watching shameless, and there was a massive rumble, and all these bricks came falling down the chimney! a bit of the wall flew off and hit me on the lip. %26gt;:(
Reply:I didn't feel anything but I did read a lot of peoples' responses on YA.
I am in the U.S..
Reply:5.2 actually
I was watching Buffy and my computer started bumping across the desk, together with everything that hung in my room swinging
Reply:I woke up thinking someone was jumping on my bed, whilst there were massive bangs on the floor above! Very scary indeed.
I know a lot of people from different countries think it's pathetic, but for most people I know, that was the first time they'd ever felt one. And for a first time, it was pretty strong. They just don't happen very often over here!
Reply:It was a 4.7..that's a yawner her in California...not even worth mentioning.
wisdom teeth
You can record your experience through their questionnaire here...
http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/
Oh and I'll give the 10 points to whoever gives the best account of what they were doing when the earth moved!
x
Officially Record Your Experience Of The UK Earthquake?
i was in the living room watching shameless, and there was a massive rumble, and all these bricks came falling down the chimney! a bit of the wall flew off and hit me on the lip. %26gt;:(
Reply:I didn't feel anything but I did read a lot of peoples' responses on YA.
I am in the U.S..
Reply:5.2 actually
I was watching Buffy and my computer started bumping across the desk, together with everything that hung in my room swinging
Reply:I woke up thinking someone was jumping on my bed, whilst there were massive bangs on the floor above! Very scary indeed.
I know a lot of people from different countries think it's pathetic, but for most people I know, that was the first time they'd ever felt one. And for a first time, it was pretty strong. They just don't happen very often over here!
Reply:It was a 4.7..that's a yawner her in California...not even worth mentioning.
wisdom teeth
Should Polar Bears be listed as an endangered species?
Summer sea ice in Alaska last year shrunk to about 1.65 million square miles last year, the lowest level in 38 years of satellite record-keeping and nearly 40 percent less ice than the long-term average between 1979 and 2000. Some climate models have predicted the Arctic will be free of summer sea ice by 2030. A U.S. Geological Survey study predicted polar bears in Alaska could be wiped out by 2050.
http://green.yahoo.com/news/ap/20080310/...
Should Polar Bears be listed as an endangered species?
Its so sad, these beautiful animals could loose the homes and their lives all within this few decades. I wish the bureaucrats would get a move on, and include the polar bears on the list of endangered species. Great article and lovely photo. I truly hope they will be around for our children to see.
Reply:Of course! If we don't do it now, who will? If we don't take action, people might never take action. Then we'd lose such an interesting and magnificent animal.
Reply:Yes, I think that polar bears should be listed as an endangered species. They're being killed every day from oil spills, melting iceburgs, shorter seasons to be able to go on sea ice, mother's milk being poisoned, and being hunted.
Though many say that they are just vulnerable, I think that their population could grow much shorter over the years. Just look at how much their populations have decreased already.. =(
What are your views on this issue?
Reply:Here is a quote from "The U.S. Fish %26amp; Wildlife Service estimates that the polar bear population is currently at 20,000 to 25,000 bears, up from as low as 5,000-10,000 bears in the 1950s and 1960s. A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain noted that the polar bear populations “may now be near historic highs.”
Also.....most of the ice that disappeared the last few years returned this winter. Old saying..".If you don't like the weather just wait".
SO I guess my answer is no to endangered status.
The only reason people want it is to use it as a tool to restrict land use all over the north.
Reply:Polar bears aren't the only endangered species there. The whole environment is in danger. I saw 2 photos of the same area taken 10 years apart. The first showed snow %26amp; ice. The second showed green grass. We are killing %26amp; raping this beatiful planet. Thank God for space exploration! Good Luck %26amp; Blessings
Reply:Most defiantly! Polar Bears could be extinct in the next fifty years if people don't stop driving their huge gas guzzlers around!
Reply:If you dont list them in the endangered species list now u can be sure u will find them listed in the extinct species list in a decade .
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Reply:totally yes. if the ice caps melts where will they live on.
Reply:There is very specific criteria to adding animals to the endangered species list, I don't think the polar bears have reached that point. Even if they were listed what good would that do. It was not easy to stop the production of DDT when we found it was making the eggs of bald eagles fragile. Think of all the things we need to do to stop global warming. I expect some great disaster before people wake up to the harm global warming can do. We can not even convince everyone GW is real.
http://green.yahoo.com/news/ap/20080310/...
Should Polar Bears be listed as an endangered species?
Its so sad, these beautiful animals could loose the homes and their lives all within this few decades. I wish the bureaucrats would get a move on, and include the polar bears on the list of endangered species. Great article and lovely photo. I truly hope they will be around for our children to see.
Reply:Of course! If we don't do it now, who will? If we don't take action, people might never take action. Then we'd lose such an interesting and magnificent animal.
Reply:Yes, I think that polar bears should be listed as an endangered species. They're being killed every day from oil spills, melting iceburgs, shorter seasons to be able to go on sea ice, mother's milk being poisoned, and being hunted.
Though many say that they are just vulnerable, I think that their population could grow much shorter over the years. Just look at how much their populations have decreased already.. =(
What are your views on this issue?
Reply:Here is a quote from "The U.S. Fish %26amp; Wildlife Service estimates that the polar bear population is currently at 20,000 to 25,000 bears, up from as low as 5,000-10,000 bears in the 1950s and 1960s. A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain noted that the polar bear populations “may now be near historic highs.”
Also.....most of the ice that disappeared the last few years returned this winter. Old saying..".If you don't like the weather just wait".
SO I guess my answer is no to endangered status.
The only reason people want it is to use it as a tool to restrict land use all over the north.
Reply:Polar bears aren't the only endangered species there. The whole environment is in danger. I saw 2 photos of the same area taken 10 years apart. The first showed snow %26amp; ice. The second showed green grass. We are killing %26amp; raping this beatiful planet. Thank God for space exploration! Good Luck %26amp; Blessings
Reply:Most defiantly! Polar Bears could be extinct in the next fifty years if people don't stop driving their huge gas guzzlers around!
Reply:If you dont list them in the endangered species list now u can be sure u will find them listed in the extinct species list in a decade .
with regards
http://www.chocolatesavy.com
Reply:totally yes. if the ice caps melts where will they live on.
Reply:There is very specific criteria to adding animals to the endangered species list, I don't think the polar bears have reached that point. Even if they were listed what good would that do. It was not easy to stop the production of DDT when we found it was making the eggs of bald eagles fragile. Think of all the things we need to do to stop global warming. I expect some great disaster before people wake up to the harm global warming can do. We can not even convince everyone GW is real.
How does this events apply to the natural world?Why is this infomation important for us to know and how would?
New Antarctic Ice Core To Provide Clearest Climate Record Yet
science daily (Feb 27, 2008) — After enduring months on the coldest, driest, and windiest continent on Earth, researchers today closed out the inaugural season on an unprecedented, multi-year effort to retrieve the most detailed record of greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere over the last 100,000 years.
Working as part of the National Science Foundation's West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide (WAIS Divide) Ice Core Project, a team of scientists, engineers, technicians, and students from multiple U.S. institutions have recovered a 580-meter (1,900-foot) ice core -- the first section of what is hoped to be a 3,465-meter (11,360-foot) column of ice detailing 100,000 years of Earth's climate history, including a precise year-by-year record of the last 40,000 years.
The dust, chemicals, and air trapped in the two-mile-long ice core will provide critical information for scientists working to predict the extent to which human activity will alter Earth's climate, according to the chief scientist for the project, Kendrick Taylor of the Desert Research Institute of the Nevada System of Higher Education. DRI, along with the University of New Hampshire, operates the Science Coordination Office for the WAIS Divide Project.
WAIS Divide, named for the high-elevation region that is the boundary separating opposing flow directions on the ice sheet, is the best spot on the planet to recover ancient ice containing trapped air bubbles -- samples of the Earth's atmosphere from the present to as far back as 100,000 years ago.
While other ice cores have been used to develop longer records of Earth's atmosphere, the record from WAIS Divide will allow a more detailed study of the interaction of previous increases in greenhouse gases and climate change. This information will improve computer models that are used to predict how the current unprecedented high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity will influence future climate.
The WAIS Divide core is also the Southern Hemisphere equivalent of a series of ice cores drilled in Greenland beginning in 1989, and it will provide the best opportunity for scientists to determine if global-scale climate changes that occurred before human activity started to influence climate were initiated in the Arctic, the tropics, or Antarctica.
The new core will also allow investigations of biological material in deep ice, which will yield information about biochemically processes that control and are controlled by climate, as well as lead to fundamental insights about life on Earth.
Says Taylor, "We are very excited to work with ancient ice that fell as snow as long as 100,000 years ago. We read the ice like other people might read a stack of old weather reports."
The WAIS project took more than 15 years of planning and preparation, including extensive airborne reconnaissance and ground-based geophysical research, to pinpoint the one-square-kilometer (less than a square mile) space on the 932,000-square-kilometer (360,000-square-mile) ice sheet that scientists believe will provide the clearest climate record for the last 100,000 years.
With only some 40 days a year when the weather is warm enough for drilling -- yesterday's temperature was a balmy -15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) -- it is expected to take until January 2010 to complete the fieldwork.
For the project, Ice Coring and Drilling Services of the University of Wisconsin-Madison built and is operating a state-of-the-art, deep ice-coring drill, which is more like a piece of scientific equipment than a conventional rock drill used in petroleum exploration. The U.S. Geological Survey National Ice Core Laboratory in Denver designed the core handling system. Raytheon Polar Services Corporation provides the logistical support. The NSF Office of Polar Programs-U.S. Antarctic Program funds the project. The core will be archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, which is run by the USGS with funding from NSF.
How does this events apply to the natural world?Why is this infomation important for us to know and how would?
it provides more accurate record of the past environmental conditions
science daily (Feb 27, 2008) — After enduring months on the coldest, driest, and windiest continent on Earth, researchers today closed out the inaugural season on an unprecedented, multi-year effort to retrieve the most detailed record of greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere over the last 100,000 years.
Working as part of the National Science Foundation's West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide (WAIS Divide) Ice Core Project, a team of scientists, engineers, technicians, and students from multiple U.S. institutions have recovered a 580-meter (1,900-foot) ice core -- the first section of what is hoped to be a 3,465-meter (11,360-foot) column of ice detailing 100,000 years of Earth's climate history, including a precise year-by-year record of the last 40,000 years.
The dust, chemicals, and air trapped in the two-mile-long ice core will provide critical information for scientists working to predict the extent to which human activity will alter Earth's climate, according to the chief scientist for the project, Kendrick Taylor of the Desert Research Institute of the Nevada System of Higher Education. DRI, along with the University of New Hampshire, operates the Science Coordination Office for the WAIS Divide Project.
WAIS Divide, named for the high-elevation region that is the boundary separating opposing flow directions on the ice sheet, is the best spot on the planet to recover ancient ice containing trapped air bubbles -- samples of the Earth's atmosphere from the present to as far back as 100,000 years ago.
While other ice cores have been used to develop longer records of Earth's atmosphere, the record from WAIS Divide will allow a more detailed study of the interaction of previous increases in greenhouse gases and climate change. This information will improve computer models that are used to predict how the current unprecedented high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity will influence future climate.
The WAIS Divide core is also the Southern Hemisphere equivalent of a series of ice cores drilled in Greenland beginning in 1989, and it will provide the best opportunity for scientists to determine if global-scale climate changes that occurred before human activity started to influence climate were initiated in the Arctic, the tropics, or Antarctica.
The new core will also allow investigations of biological material in deep ice, which will yield information about biochemically processes that control and are controlled by climate, as well as lead to fundamental insights about life on Earth.
Says Taylor, "We are very excited to work with ancient ice that fell as snow as long as 100,000 years ago. We read the ice like other people might read a stack of old weather reports."
The WAIS project took more than 15 years of planning and preparation, including extensive airborne reconnaissance and ground-based geophysical research, to pinpoint the one-square-kilometer (less than a square mile) space on the 932,000-square-kilometer (360,000-square-mile) ice sheet that scientists believe will provide the clearest climate record for the last 100,000 years.
With only some 40 days a year when the weather is warm enough for drilling -- yesterday's temperature was a balmy -15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) -- it is expected to take until January 2010 to complete the fieldwork.
For the project, Ice Coring and Drilling Services of the University of Wisconsin-Madison built and is operating a state-of-the-art, deep ice-coring drill, which is more like a piece of scientific equipment than a conventional rock drill used in petroleum exploration. The U.S. Geological Survey National Ice Core Laboratory in Denver designed the core handling system. Raytheon Polar Services Corporation provides the logistical support. The NSF Office of Polar Programs-U.S. Antarctic Program funds the project. The core will be archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, which is run by the USGS with funding from NSF.
How does this events apply to the natural world?Why is this infomation important for us to know and how would?
it provides more accurate record of the past environmental conditions
Sunday, November 15, 2009
Scoffers- Can you admit now that you were wrong when you accused Christians?
of ignoring Global Warming as valid by the latest evidence?
Antarctic glaciers surge to ocean
Antartica- glacier there is evidence of a volcano that erupted through the ice about 2,000 years ago and the whole region could be volcanically active-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natur...
Another earthquake today as well...
JAKARTA, Feb 24 (Reuters) - A 6.6 magnitude earthquake hit Indonesia off the coast of Sumatra island on Sunday, the U.S. Geological Survey reported.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk...
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp Vice Chairman Bob Lutz has defended remarks he made dismissing global warming as a "total crock
Biblical Weather Forecast:
the world fades and withers ...' (Isa 24.4)
'... the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left' (Isa 24.6)
'There will be ... dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves' (Lk 21.25)
'... all the green grass was burned up' (Rev 8.7)
Scoffers- Can you admit now that you were wrong when you accused Christians?
*imagines sound of whip cracking. decides not to answer question*
lol
((((hugs))))
*goes red. walks away*
Reply:"General Motors Corp Vice Chairman Bob Lutz has defended remarks he made dismissing global warming as a "total crock "
Absolutely no vested interests there then....
So let me understand, you are saying global warming is tosh, but that we will nearly all burn crispy style with a volcanoquake?
Awesome. I like your style. I wish I could find a question to answer...
Reply:I'm not sure what scoffers you are addressing, or what they allegedly accused anyone else of.
in my experience, some Christians and non-Christians ignore evidence of climate change, some Christians use climate change as an argument for "end times" mania du jour, and some Christians are just as concerned/accepting of climate change as anyone else.
I've never said anything different.
Reply:I'm sorry. I didn't realize that natural disasters were only a recent occurrence. Shame on me for paying attention in Earth History classes.
Reply:I did what now?
Climate change deniers come from all religions and backgrounds, and they're all idiots.
It's nice to see that we at least agree that global warming is happening, though.
Reply:they will never admit any thing sis.
Reply:Who's taking Bible quotes out of context now?
Reply:Questions I can answer, disjointed rants I will have to ignore.
Reply:what??
Reply:Haha
I'm sorry. My bunny friend here ^ is a little shy tonight. I think I know why. Check my last best answer.
(skips away giggling)
Reply:Interesting isn't it?
Reply:No, not wrong. You Christians are constantly trying to visualize the world's end. Global warming is a scientific fact. It is caused by over-population and misuse of fossil fuels. It is not god's punishment for homosexuals or lack of piety in our society. Your argument is based on a false premise, i.e. that the bible is to be taken as the direct word of god and the complete truth. It is neither.
Reply:scoff, scoff, scoff.
Antarctic glaciers surge to ocean
Antartica- glacier there is evidence of a volcano that erupted through the ice about 2,000 years ago and the whole region could be volcanically active-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natur...
Another earthquake today as well...
JAKARTA, Feb 24 (Reuters) - A 6.6 magnitude earthquake hit Indonesia off the coast of Sumatra island on Sunday, the U.S. Geological Survey reported.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk...
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp Vice Chairman Bob Lutz has defended remarks he made dismissing global warming as a "total crock
Biblical Weather Forecast:
the world fades and withers ...' (Isa 24.4)
'... the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left' (Isa 24.6)
'There will be ... dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves' (Lk 21.25)
'... all the green grass was burned up' (Rev 8.7)
Scoffers- Can you admit now that you were wrong when you accused Christians?
*imagines sound of whip cracking. decides not to answer question*
lol
((((hugs))))
*goes red. walks away*
Reply:"General Motors Corp Vice Chairman Bob Lutz has defended remarks he made dismissing global warming as a "total crock "
Absolutely no vested interests there then....
So let me understand, you are saying global warming is tosh, but that we will nearly all burn crispy style with a volcanoquake?
Awesome. I like your style. I wish I could find a question to answer...
Reply:I'm not sure what scoffers you are addressing, or what they allegedly accused anyone else of.
in my experience, some Christians and non-Christians ignore evidence of climate change, some Christians use climate change as an argument for "end times" mania du jour, and some Christians are just as concerned/accepting of climate change as anyone else.
I've never said anything different.
Reply:I'm sorry. I didn't realize that natural disasters were only a recent occurrence. Shame on me for paying attention in Earth History classes.
Reply:I did what now?
Climate change deniers come from all religions and backgrounds, and they're all idiots.
It's nice to see that we at least agree that global warming is happening, though.
Reply:they will never admit any thing sis.
Reply:Who's taking Bible quotes out of context now?
Reply:Questions I can answer, disjointed rants I will have to ignore.
Reply:what??
Reply:Haha
I'm sorry. My bunny friend here ^ is a little shy tonight. I think I know why. Check my last best answer.
(skips away giggling)
Reply:Interesting isn't it?
Reply:No, not wrong. You Christians are constantly trying to visualize the world's end. Global warming is a scientific fact. It is caused by over-population and misuse of fossil fuels. It is not god's punishment for homosexuals or lack of piety in our society. Your argument is based on a false premise, i.e. that the bible is to be taken as the direct word of god and the complete truth. It is neither.
Reply:scoff, scoff, scoff.
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